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Inspired by the Mars for Less mission concept, the "Lone Eagle" mission concept, and by the books of Stephen Baxter, where his missions are always pared to the bone, I've been thinking that maybe a manned Mars mission could be launched in the really immediate future if we scaled down our expectations as to safety and scale. I'm not talking literally nothing, obviously the costs would be enormous, but it's the slimmest mission profile I can think of.

So here it goes (rough concept of mission)

Number of crew members: 1

Launch vehicle: Soyuz (the only game in town)

Interplanetary module: Zvezda (peeled off the ISS and given an IUS-type propulsion module)

Landing module: Modified Phoenix-type lander with room for one crewmember.

Surface habitat: Pressure tent landed by MER-type bouncing lander.

Resupplies: Also by MER-type bouncer.

Earth return module... er, there isn't one. The colonist stays on Mars permanently, receiving resupplies. Obviously he/she will sooner or later die, but not without having achieved eternal glory and an enormous amount of science. Others will come and join the first, either supporting him/her or giving him/her a decent burial.

Just thinking about this means throwing away the concepts of safe return, and indeed safety in its present guise. Nutty? Maybe... Possible? I think so but I have no way of working out the numbers (delta-V, food and oxygen, dollars) that would make it feasible.

Any takers?
 
I'm afraid that he/she will ungloriously freeze to death not yet making it there. Any type of manned spacecraft in existence, excluding Apollo, are adapted to radiation and thermal balance conditions that exist in LEO, which means a substantial thermal flux both from Sun and reflected back from Earth. Also, you didn't specify what kind of MOI do you have in mind - I think that IUS is a one-shot upper stage.

All in all, this kind of mission would just prove that Mars is a perfect place to perish terribly, among any things. :thumbsdown:
 
1) Any type of manned spacecraft in existence, excluding Apollo, are adapted to radiation and thermal balance conditions that exist in LEO, which means a substantial thermal flux both from Sun and reflected back from Earth.

2) Also, you didn't specify what kind of MOI do you have in mind - I think that IUS is a one-shot upper stage.

1) Take an electric radiator, powered by solar panels or a Topaz unit (actually I think a Topaz would come in pretty handy anyway)

2) I haven't done any kind of delta-V calculations here, I'm hoping someone good with maths might make an attempt. If an aerobrake MOI works for MER and Phoenix, it could work with something like a Phoenix lander.

Notice that I have no idea whether a Phoenix-type lander could take one person, but I'm guessing it could, maybe scaled up a little.
 
Number of crew members: 1

That is more than enough problems right there. I would like to know how you expect one person to stay sane without being able to see another human being for years on end.

Earth return module... er, there isn't one.

Again, it seems like kind of a meaningless mission if samples cannot even be returned to Earth for extensive study.
 
Well, I did not know!:P

But do you know of any specific examples?

Alexander Selkirk, the model for Robinson Crusoe...

WILLINGLY jumped ship and was landed on the Juan Fernández Islands in October 1704 because he couldn't stand the captain.

Was rescued on Feb 2nd 1709, after 4 and a half years alone. The captain who rescued him gave him command of one of his ships, hardly likely if he were a nutcase.

He died Dec 13 1721 serving as a lieutenant on a Royal Navy ship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Selkirk
 
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Inspired by the Mars for Less mission concept, the "Lone Eagle" mission concept, and by the books of Stephen Baxter, where his missions are always pared to the bone, I've been thinking that maybe a manned Mars mission could be launched in the really immediate future if we scaled down our expectations as to safety and scale. I'm not talking literally nothing, obviously the costs would be enormous, but it's the slimmest mission profile I can think of.

So here it goes (rough concept of mission)

Number of crew members: 1

Launch vehicle: Soyuz (the only game in town)

Interplanetary module: Zvezda (peeled off the ISS and given an IUS-type propulsion module)

Landing module: Modified Phoenix-type lander with room for one crewmember.

Surface habitat: Pressure tent landed by MER-type bouncing lander.

Resupplies: Also by MER-type bouncer.

Earth return module... er, there isn't one. The colonist stays on Mars permanently, receiving resupplies. Obviously he/she will sooner or later die, but not without having achieved eternal glory and an enormous amount of science. Others will come and join the first, either supporting him/her or giving him/her a decent burial.

Just thinking about this means throwing away the concepts of safe return, and indeed safety in its present guise. Nutty? Maybe... Possible? I think so but I have no way of working out the numbers (delta-V, food and oxygen, dollars) that would make it feasible.

Any takers?

That sounds a bit like a Russian mission I made up for a story! Here's some details (I'm not a rocket scientist so I am a bit vague on some things!). It's for 2 cosmonauts. The mission is possibly suicidal, but I'm sure two volunteers could be found - the tradeoff is to be remembered forever in history! Estimated cost...$3 billion?
The mission profile is based on that described at the Energiya site – a minimum trajectory/short-stay mission (a Hohmann Transfer Orbit, I think). The mission is around 2 years long (12 months to get there, 1 month on the surface, 11 months back).

Minimum-energy launch windows occur every 2.135 years, i.e. 780 days. As noted on NASA’s A Crewed Mission to Mars... page, this short-stay mission is not the ideal profile for the crew, but as more sophisticated and powerful rockets have yet to be developed (and I don’t think they will be by ~2014), it’s the one used.

Some approximate Earth-to-Mars launch windows (from here): launch December 2011, arrive August 2012; launch January 2014; arrive October 2014.

The ship is smaller and simpler than the ship depicted there – essentially a main module based on the proven Mir and ISS Zvezda core module designs, plus an extra module similar to the FGB where the life support equipment is - and another small module behind that to house the Topaz reactor. Several Progress cargo supply ships are launched to carry up supplies, and two (?) are kept docked to the main ship for the duration of the mission, as is the Soyuz ship to take the crew up.

I am not sure of the design of the Mars landing ship; something simple in any case (see below). There is no Mars rover so the cosmonauts will have to walk everywhere, which limits their range. They are not going to Mars to set up a colony or for detailed exploration; it is a simple get-there-first-and-back mission.

The idea is to use as much already-proven technology as possible, and to accept a certain amount of risk of the crew not returning. The cosmonauts will be exposed to radiation and galactic cosmic rays during the flight there and back which will be detrimental to their long-term health (if they don’t die during the mission). (The habitation module has polyethylene blocks surrounding it inside to provide some shielding.) It is in some sense a “kamikaze mission” and the cosmonauts are well aware of this, but accept the dangers in return for the glory of being the first humans on Mars.

The transport ship is named the Akademik [Academic] Sergei Korolyov, «Академик Сергей Королёв» (Korolyov for short); the landing ship Aelita (after the Soviet-era novel and film).

Instead of the huge solar arrays depicted, a small “Topaz” nuclear reactor could be used for power (this was used in Stephen Baxter’s Titan novel). This would also power the electric propulsion engines. There are some obvious safety concerns about launching a nuclear reactor into orbit, but for this mission it is considered an acceptable (and small) risk. The reactor is housed in a small module behind the FGB; this module can be detached and dumped if anything goes wrong with the reactor. The modules are fitted with solar panels similar to those on the Russian ISS modules to provide backup power (not much power, though, when far away from the Sun, which is why the reactor is necessary).

On return to Earth the plan was to leave the spaceship into a high parking orbit while the cosmonauts returned in a Soyuz to Earth – a newly-launched one sent up to retrieve them (see note below). Satellites with nuclear reactors are boosted into a nuclear-safe orbit where they will remain for centuries as the reactors decay. An NSO is a “Circular geocentric orbit with 700 km altitude designed to delay atmospheric entry and space craft nuclear reactor disintegration for several hundred years in order to reduce the danger of high-level radiation in the atmosphere.” (See also “Nuclear waste in space?”, The Space Review.)

The Soyuz’s stay in space is limited due to one of its propellants. The Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2), an oxidizer, used in the Descent Module’s Reaction Control System, tends to deteriorate over time to H2O and O; the TMA version, with a cooling system for the H2O2, has a limit of 180-210 days (6-7 months). (A more extensive upgrade, to extend the stay to a year, would have also included the installation of improved storage batteries and the oxidizer tanks to be made from steel rather than the current aluminum alloy, but this was not done because of lack of finances.) The only solution is for another Soyuz to be launched and sent up to retrieve the cosmonauts on their return; it would be flown up there unmanned, on automatic pilot.

The Mars lander could look like this one from the Space Odyssey program (but as the mission is very basic, it wouldn’t carry a rover). The lander is 25m long and weighs 45 tonnes.

[It] has been designed to support a crew of three astronauts for up to a month. It carries an electronically-powered Martian rover vehicle for surface exploration and has an inner core storm shelter formed from multi-laminate polythene. The Mars Lander has a launch engine – toroidal aerospike – capable of reaching the Mars escape velocity of 5 km per second within five minutes. It uses a paraglider canopy the size of a football field to steer itself towards the landing site.


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That is more than enough problems right there. I would like to know how you expect one person to stay sane without being able to see another human being for years on end.

Tenzin Palmo spent 12 years in a cave, mostly by herself! She seems quite sane. She'd be a good candidate for Mars.
 
Hi Suzy, thanks for your input. (For those who don't know Suzy she has an excellent site on Russian space exploration which I would recommend highly to all Orbinauts. I wrote an article for The Space Review based largely on her research but unfortunately my acknowledgement for her went missing in the editing process. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank her for her great work.)

That's a nice simple scenario, worthy of Baxter, pared down to the bone. It's interesting that both Baxter and the guy who dreamed up the "Lone Eagle" Mars mission profile (I can't remember his name right now) were inspired by the do-anything approach of the Russian space program in contrast with the do-anything-but-explore attitude of NASA.

Regarding your mission plan: I was thinking that we would ditch the Soyuz when we get to LEO and on board the Zvezda+lander+propulsion unit combo, then ditch that combo when the lander separates to aerobrake into MOI. That way there's no need to upgrade the Soyuz with costly development work.

On the human side, I don't think it would be a problem to find volunteers either, nor that they'd go goofy from the solitude. I personally know people a lot tougher than that. My real worry is the g-load for our intrepid cosmonaut after 9 months in microgravity, as he decelerates in a Phoenix-type lander. Would it do her in?
 
Your ideal volunteer would have to be an "odd man", which means an unmarried individual with no family, and suffering from a non-debilitating fatal disease. Either you find an astronaut with these characteristics, or you've got to train someone and in this case you'd be looking to a heavily automated craft. As for science, you would have to train the person to correctly use the equipment and beam the data back to Earth. Feasible, but you'll need some heavy-duty PR to pull this stunt.
 
You'd have to be goofy to volunteer for such a stunt in the first place, nevermind waiting to go goofy from the isolation. China could do it. They have no problem finding "volunteers" for undesirable jobs. North Korea'd be even better. They actually convince the volunteers to like it.
 
You'd have to be goofy to volunteer for such a stunt

Really?
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Yuk yuk!
 
1 person would be hard, but it could be possible:
Have robots do the brunt of the work: Calculations for beaming the data, calculations for life support and all the grunt work. Yeah, i know, they need power: Solar panels.

The bouncing thing...think about the G-forces that he/she would endure
 
Wouldn't it be cheaper to include an Earth return vehicle then to continuously supply the poor soul until his death? I mean, we are talking cheap here right? Personally, it's not an acceptable solution IMHO in too many ways. I'll stick with the current proposals and wait :)
 
But you fail to see it: the whole spectacle of the whole idea is the death watch after the guys launches. Millions of goulish people watching and waiting for some weird guy to die alone on a distant planet, having gotten farther away than any human, he is now the subject of a weird social experiment. And after he carks, future explorers get to find out how well the Martian atmosphere mummifies a human corpse. Wouldn't the sight of it be a great welcome to the Red Planet for those follow-on folks?
 
It has been proposed before, this was in march of this year.
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/04/a-one-way-one-person-mission-to-mars/

Volunteers, the only problem i see is do we have enough suitable volunteers. You are going into the history books as the first man to set foot on Mars. On a suicide mission? Perhaps if it is conducted like this one with absolute minimal equipment and craft.

One of the problems i see is precision landings on Mars, would be a real bummer to land some 50 hours walking time towards the lander with supplies while your oxygen in the suit will only last for 12 hours. Landings have to be pinpoint precision.
 
A possible problem is that you have to provide adequate radiation shielding for the guy to have a decent chance of reaching Mars in the first place. Thus far, long term missions have been in LEO, and the Apollo missions, which went beyond the magnetosphere, were of short duration. As mission length increases, your chances of being hit by a solar flare before reaching your destination increase.
 
Some interesting food for thought here, let's look at them...

Your ideal volunteer would have to be an "odd man", which means an unmarried individual with no family, and suffering from a non-debilitating fatal disease.

Not necessarily. How about a fit, experienced astronaut who's over 60? Life expectancy in this case would be another 20 years. If we could project a mean survivability of this mission to about 8-10 years, then our volunteer would only lose around 15 years of life, assuming all went well.

The bouncing thing...think about the G-forces that he/she would endure

I suggested the bouncers would be for resupplies, containing crates of food and the like. The Mars colonist would land in something like a Phoenix lander, perhaps scaled up. G-forces on re-entry are indeed an issue, but trials with the MFL and Phoenix lander in Orbiter give me values of only 3g on the smoothest trajectories.The hab would already be there, a collapsible pressure tent. Precision landing is indeed an issue here, as Robert points out. How much precision could we guarantee?

Wouldn't it be cheaper to include an Earth return vehicle then to continuously supply the poor soul until his death? I mean, we are talking cheap here right? Personally, it's not an acceptable solution IMHO in too many ways. I'll stick with the current proposals and wait :)

Could well be cheaper, but experience tells us that creating a completely new spacecraft costs ten times more than anyone expects. As for waiting... In the 1970s they told us a Mars mission was just 15 years away. As the years go by, it's ALWAYS just 15 years away, as it is today. Tomorrow never comes, and I believe a lot of the proposals for Mars missions are just elaborate and expensive ways of stalling. In 2100 (if the human race is still around and we're allowed to speak about things which aren't scripture study) the projected Mars mission date will be 2115. I won't be there... will you?

Napoleon supposedly said to a general who had elaborated some complicated plan for seizing Viena, involving diversions and counter-marches, "If you want to take Viena, then take Viena!". I think that if we really want to land on Mars, we should go ahead and land on Mars, not in 15 years but as soon as is humanly possible. [This bit is taken from Oliver Morton's book, Mapping Mars, which is full of qualified candidates as volunteer solo colonists)

A possible problem is that you have to provide adequate radiation shielding for the guy to have a decent chance of reaching Mars in the first place. Thus far, long term missions have been in LEO, and the Apollo missions, which went beyond the magnetosphere, were of short duration. As mission length increases, your chances of being hit by a solar flare before reaching your destination increase.

Now THIS really is a problem. About the only thing that we can do is program the journey in the solar flare minimum period and hope for the best. Unless there is a solar storm, the radiation dose won't be immediately fatal and our colonist will have the 8-10 years of life on Mars. So a good question would be: When do the Hoffman-transfer windows described by Suzy above coincide with solar minimum? I'll look into that one today and get back with the answer.

But you fail to see it: the whole spectacle of the whole idea is the death watch after the guys launches. Millions of goulish people watching and waiting for some weird guy to die alone on a distant planet, having gotten farther away than any human, he is now the subject of a weird social experiment. And after he carks, future explorers get to find out how well the Martian atmosphere mummifies a human corpse. Wouldn't the sight of it be a great welcome to the Red Planet for those follow-on folks?

I don't see it that way. You could see it Shackleton-style as the epic struggle for survival against the odds and a story of life-affirming heroism. It is definitely a social experiment, but no weirder than most on offer. And yes, the sight of our explorer's mummified corpse actually would be inspirational. I predict that whole new religions would be founded on the basis of it. Not that I want new religions, but they would inevitably follow.

It has been proposed before, this was in march of this year.
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/04/a-one-way-one-person-mission-to-mars/

Thanks for the link, I would have put it up yesterday if I'd had more time. This is Mr McLane's "Lone Eagle" mission concept that I mentioned above. All I'm trying to do is flesh it out with real technology. Notice the quote from the article:

"McLane’s idea came from his acquaintance with a Russian cosmonaut. “I noticed the cosmonaut seemed to be a slightly different type of person than the American astronaut," McLane said. “Cosmonauts are primarily pilots, and like test pilots, they are very focused on getting the job done. The current American astronauts are picked for things such as their speaking ability and social skills, and most of them have advanced degrees. But the cosmonaut struck me as an adventurous, get-things-done-type person, like our original astronauts back in the 1960’s."
A return to the “get it done" attitude of the 1960’s and a goal of a manned landing within a short time frame, like Apollo, is the only way we’ll get to Mars, McLane believes."

Is it a coincidence that the only person who has responded positively to this idea, Suzy Kosmonavtka, is someone absolutely steeped in Russian Space Program history and culture? This is something also shared with Baxter, whose admiration for the adventurous spirit of the cosmonauts is a clear feature of Voyage.

In my opinion, the objections based on assumptions about human psychology and sociology are trivial and unrealistic. It's immediately assumed that anyone who risks his life is insane (and we're talking about greatly increased risk here, not suicide, given that we give our colonist a - diminishing but real - chance of indefinite survival with supply drops). Yet just this summer more than 40 people have died on Himalayan expeditions, all of them experienced climbers who knew and assumed the risk. Do we hear cries of "Ban mountain climbing, it's too dangerous!"? Not yet, I'm pleased to say. There exist humans who are quite clearly not insane and yet are prepared to risk high probabilities of death to achieve their aims.

However the technical challenges are realistic problems. I'd put them roughly in order of importance from most risky to least:
1) Radiation, both in transit and on the surface.
2) Bone loss and physical weakening from micro-g environment.
3) High g-loads on reentry.
4) Mechanical failure of one or other unit, especially life support or power.
5) Failure of supply because the drop missed.
6) Failure to rendezvous with the base camp.

I'm working on some Orbiter scenarios to kind of rough-out the mission concepts a little. Needless to say, this high level of risk would be unacceptable to agencies like NASA, ESA or even the Russian Space Agency in its present dependence on Western dollars. When or if this concept gets more detail we should try to sell it to someone with vision and lots of money like Anouseh Ansari or Google. Andy's right that the Chinese would do it, but wrong in suggesting that the "volunteers" would be somehow coerced.


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Sorry to double-post but I found something really great on Suzy's site. After a detailed and well thought-out survey of mission profiles, she says:

"A manned Mars mission could have been launched two or three decades ago, especially if America and Russia had not wasted so much energy and resources on the Cold War. A mission could be launched NOW, with current technologies. There would surely be a few eager volunteers amongst the nearly-200 or so astronauts and cosmonauts who will otherwise wait years for their next spaceflight, especially with the Shuttle fleet reduced and grounded after the Columbia disaster, then only launching occasionally. The mission certainly would not be risk-free; there’s a likely chance someone might perish. There are also the long-term effects of radiation exposure to consider; the robotic Mars Odyssey spacecraft measured the radiation it encountered, which was nearly twice the amount those in low-Earth orbit experience. (The interplanetary spacecraft would obviously need a “storm shelter” to protect against solar storms, also.) I doubt that the more adventurous types would be put off by the risk, though! (If anyone’s looking for volunteers, I’ll go!)

The governments of the countries involved do not seem interested in going to Mars; most politicians have no interest in spaceflight and are too busy bickering, backstabbing and taking bribes, anyhow. They are entirely lacking in any imagination or vision. The general public seems mainly indifferent to the space program (it is admittedly remote and irrelevant to many people’s lives), though there are plenty of enthusiasts and dreamers on the Internet. (And when it comes to space travel, dreaming is about all that most people will ever get to do.)

What would be the point of going to Mars, anyway? I guess, if nothing else, it’s somewhere else to go and something to do. And it is surely a better use of taxpayers’ money than spending billions of dollars on more effective ways to kill people."

Now THAT's what I call straight talking. I wish I'd said that. And I'd go too, if my wife gave me permission.
 
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I don't see it that way. You could see it Shackleton-style as the epic struggle for survival against the odds and a story of life-affirming heroism.

Shackleton expected to survive.

And yes, the sight of our explorer's mummified corpse actually would be inspirational. I predict that whole new religions would be founded on the basis of it. Not that I want new religions, but they would inevitably follow.

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