2012: the death of the Internet

[willy88]

http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2

:sorry:

"...Sooner in Canada..."



They can't do this. This is like the Great Firewall of China. The public opposition from this will be massive. Any denizen of the Internet will be highly opposed to this fascism once ISPs jump on this bandwagon.

This violates what the Internet is supposed to be. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes!

 

[Urwumpe]

The tube idea was already the problem. Traffic preference is based on the idea, that one day, these tubes will be clogged. Of course it is stupid and created by people, who have no clue about the technology. It is like saying that a telephone provider should prefer high-quality conversations. What is premium content for a telephone? Expensive services? Cold calls?

The only way you can keep the internet a useful tool, is to keep it free of politics. A honest provider can't tell which traffic is premium and which is not. BitTorrent traffic for example can be abused for bad - and be very useful for good content. Just for example: If I would have downloaded Zak McCracken 2 (1.5 GB) via normal protocols like FTP or HTTP, the strain on the routing system in the Internet would have been far worse than by downloading over BitTorrent, which balanced the load over many networks. You can't decide if one user is bad and the other good - so you have to stay neutral.

Internet neutrality is thus, not optional, but important for communications. Only if you are willed to trade the secrecy of personal communications for economic reasons, you can stop being neutral. And that will be the death of the Internet.
Nobody uses a communication medium, which is not private from time to time.

 

[Woo482]

The internet cannot die even if we ran out of Ip's we have ip v6 now that has a lot more ip's than ip v4 (the one this web site uses)

 

[V8Li]

Hahaha, "Full Access does not include access to illegal materials". That's the dumbest thing I've ever herd. The idiots can't stop HBO from being viewed without subscription and they will stop the Internet. Come on... don't waste your time and bandwidth (doen't count if you're on a free wireless connection) watching this video.

 

[Hielor]

The internet cannot die even if we ran out of Ip's we have ip v6 now that has a lot more ip's than ip v4 (the one this web site uses)

That has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion; did you even go to that link?

 

[Ghostrider]

http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2The public opposition from this will be massive. Any denizen of the Internet will be highly opposed to this fascism

Do you seriously believe that:

1) the majority of the public really gives a darn
2) internet users can do anything about it
?

 

[Brad]

If it comes to this, I am logging out for good.

 

[Hielor]

If it comes to this, I am logging out for good.

Boycott the Internet!

 

[Urwumpe]

Boycott the Internet!

How boring!

Clog the tubes!!!!

 

[Zatnikitelman]

If they even try to implement this, I will personally put all the hollow-heads that created this into gitmo by whatever means neccessary! Seriously that's like the government charging you for the amount of air you breathe in a day. It's impossible!

 

[Woo482]

Seriously that's like the government charging you for the amount of air you breathe in a day. It's impossible!

do you not read the news? you have to pay taxes now if you want to breath air

 

[Missioncmdr]

Whoever made that graphic obviously was not thinking very hard. WTF good is a search engine if you can only access 200 websites?

 

[to be]

Whoever made that graphic obviously was not thinking very hard. WTF good is a search engine if you can only access 200 websites?

Also, why would you ever buy "Blogger access" if only people who buy blogger access can read it? Of course, the graphic, I am sure, is an exaggeration, but still... All it would take in this scenario is 1 ISP not doing this and the whole thing would fail, so I am suspicious.

 

[Face]

I think good old Capitalism will take care of such ideas. Think about it... if you're the only provider of cheap "full" access, how many clients will you get more than your competition? And how long will it take until your competition is doing the same thing? I dont think very long...

And if THEY (given there is such a conspiration) really try to surpress you, how long will it take until a sort of underground is being build? I dont think very long, either...

I simply can't imaging that there won't be "illegal" tunnels/bridges/proxies/whatever in such a scenario, and even if there isn't SSL-based traffic anymore (where THEY can't really determine traffic content), people will find ways to communicate under the radar.

So... not very probable, IMHO.

regards,
Face

 

[Zatnikitelman]

People can always set up their own point-to-point wireless links. Hell, Ham radios already have our own packet network and everything! In fact, we are assigned the 44.0.0.0 class A block of IPv4 addresses so even if they limits ISPs and crap, you can be sure the Hams will come through somehow for everyone!

 

[Urwumpe]

In the worst case, you can always rely on IPoAC (RFC-1149).

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149

Good old solid technology.

 

[Woo482]

WTF useing birds for the internet?

 

[to be]

WTF useing birds for the internet?

Note the date.

 

[Woo482]

what date?

 

[to be]

D. Waitzman
BBN STC
1 April 1990

That date.