Updates Artemis Program Updates & Discussions

[dennis.krenz]

Does this do away with Gateway? I have a feeling it will. So where will this leave the other Artemis partners - ESA and Canada?

If they don't do Gateway, they will not go to the moon and thus they will lose ESA. ESA is on the brink of leaving anyway already because of the Orange One and even if things get more professional in the future, its doubtful that ESA will find any support among its members to increase their commitment into Artemis - so either it is done with the current ESA contribution or not at all.

 

[MarkWatney2015]

ESA still builds the service module of Orion though

 

[dennis.krenz]

ESA still builds the service module of Orion though

All negotiable. Even this. This service module is less European as it looks anyway, because of US politics to recycle as much shuttle hardware as possible.

 

[GLS]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2030066480000217392

 

[barrygolden]

NASA has canceled the EUS and looks like Gateway and maybe ML 2. SLS has equipment for Artemis 3,4 and 5 but will need to use the Centaur 5 as the upper stage.
Artemis 6,7 and 8 are in the decadal survey so fund waiting on those but NASA might use the New Glenn 9.4 with Orion /Centaur 5 and looks as if they are looking at using
the Gateway Modules for the Lunar Base

 

[MarkWatney2015]

Either the Lunar Gateway modules be repurposed as surface base habitats, integrated onto commercial space stations, or the Gateway itself might survive in some form as Isaacman did hint on using them for nuclear tug tests....who knows

 

[barrygolden]

After thinking a little more about this new Artemis plan I guess some good but alot bad. The SLS with the ICPS were slated for 4 launches and there is no more production on that so its done after Artemis 4. the ICPS was only able to get 27 tons to lunar orbit so it was a stop gap to get Artemis up and running well what we see is it is at a crawl to slow to be called a program. OK Centaur 5 is being built and multiple vehicles in production but it only can push 27.5 tons to lunar orbit. Here's where we see the SLS block1B really helps the cost per mission by it able to carry 42 metric tons to Lunar orbit so not only Orion but cargo as well maybe fuel to refuel the Lander. This could lower the cost of SLS down a little but any savings could help. I don't know where we are in the production of the EUS stage and if it years away that might be the straw that broke the Camel's back.
Artemis is funded through Artemis 8 but that could change. the Apollo Program would cost about this in todays dollars but when you looked at pictures from Michoud in the mid to late 60's you saw 3 or 4 Saturn 5's in the hanger almost ready to ship today you might see one core stage in there so they have got to ramp this up to make this program work and if they could fly one mission a year might keep Artemis alive to get to the later missions. I know they are looking at the New Glenn to try to keep this alive and between that and some day Starship might just keep Artemis alive, I think we might have 11 years of see this through. untill NASA changes the Orion service module then we still have a flawed concept, it can't carry enough fuel to do the LOI burn and the TEI burn so what the plan for that.
Having worked at NASA and watched the collapse of project after project and billions spent and ending up just wasted. Having lived through "Space Station Freedom" where we spent 10 billion in eight years and all we got were some paint samples and some really cool Computer images then it was cancelled and all the people patted themselves on the back with a job well done and the X 33 where it was 90% complete and the fuel tank issue solved by using standard tanks then the plug pulled by some guy because we couldn't get the composite tanks to work even though they were heavier ..
Sadly I see the same thing happening here where they will put on a good show then pull the plug and the" at a boys" and" job well done " will come out and all these guys will retire and move to Fisher Island

 

[MarkWatney2015]

For me the change in the upper stage to a Centaur V had clearly indicated that SLS is now exclusively for crewed launches of Orion only, no longer planned to carry any other cargo. If the Gateway survives this in some form, they'd be launched on other rockets instead, same with the HLS long before this massive change

 

[GLS]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2031378254863503716

Report: https://oig.nasa.gov/office-of-insp...gement-of-the-human-landing-system-contracts/

 

[GLS]

More developments incoming

https://twitter.com/x/status/2036091283559649781

 

[GLS]

Live event:

 

[GLS]

Moon base in 7 years.

 

[GLS]

Back after a short break, showing the Artemis 2 flight plan.

 

[GLS]

The SLS for Artemis 3 might not use the ICPS upper stage (i.e., no upper stage at all)... interesting

 

[GLS]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2036434296731213868

 

[GLS]

Thru 2028: 25 launches, 21 landings, 4000kg on the surface, 2 lunar orbit sat constellations

 

[GLS]

LTV = Lunar Terrain Vehicle
500kg
max speed 10km/h (too slow )

 

[GLS]

MoonFall Drones
will hop from place to place, covering 50km in their lifetime

 

[GLS]

JAXA + Toyota to build a pressurized rover, 15tn, 10 year-lifetime, 3.5km/h (way too slow)

 

[GLS]

They are working on a website to show live streams from the Moon.