It's the White Flight Control Room (FCR, pronounced "ficker") which is the old shuttle FCR first used during the on-orbit portion of STS-70 in July 1995.
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I still always mix the designations, so I gave up naming them
I only know whether there is one of the old ones or the newer ones when I look at images or broadcasts. Since the first two rooms still have that characteristic screen design on the front wall and the Apollo-era visitor area in the back of the room.
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Finally, and in good quality! 
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That Boeing employee is CAPCOM
Why not? It's one another giant leap forward in the American space program while he participates in another step forward at the same time for a different company 
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Not returning before July...
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Good for Suni and Butch. They certainly enjoy their stay.
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That's a good 1
What I don't understand is why I saw so many negative comments regarding the cockpit design, like "..it is 2024, but it looks like blast from the past.." kinda stuff - imho, it is quite nice and provides all necessary functions with tactile feel, which is crucial during high vibrations. There is significant difference between spacecraft design and average consumer grade bs with all those touch screens, >4GHz clock speeds, >100GB RAM, etc., etc. lol
Both Orion and Starliner have great instrument panel design and it’s quite minimalist I might add!
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Absolutely!Both Orion and Starliner have great instrument panel design and it’s quite minimalist I might add!
I think this is due to SpaceX's Dragon. SpaceX/Elon Musk focused a lot on the design, so that it looks like science fiction movie props became reality (also their launch and entry suits look like scifi movie props).
I personally prefer Orion and Starliner. Somehow looks more like serious business. Might be because the instrument panels/screens were not designed by game developers. In general I'm not really a big fan of the visual design of SpaceX's stuff. The interior of Dragon just looks freaking boring to me
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Oh, yeah, a new wave of brainwashed kids thinking everything created by Musk & Co. is a new level of technology.. Good marketing, I guessAbsolutely!
I think this is due to SpaceX's Dragon. SpaceX/Elon Musk focused a lot on the design, so that it looks like science fiction movie props became reality (also their launch and entry suits look like scifi movie props).
I personally prefer Orion and Starliner. Somehow looks more like serious business. Might be because the instrument panels/screens were not designed by game developers. In general I'm not really a big fan of the visual design of SpaceX's stuff. The interior of Dragon just looks freaking boring to me
Don't get me wrong, I like Dragon spacecraft, but not its ergonomics haha
Game developers.. So true
I really want to see some studies regarding using touch screens outside Earth's magnetic field.
I reckon they don’t use capacitive/resistive touch screen, but even optic and infrared systems can go wrong while being exposed to radiation.
So in case of touch screen failing, you just switch the touch system off, and use some kind of slew control to move a cursor on a display. Something like that.
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I am not a big fan of the Space X suits but the people who use them seem to love them. the inside on orbit photos from Dragon make it look really clean and easy to get around in, on the other hand Starliner looks like the inside of a trash can. NASA gave Boeing twice as much money for Starliner than Space X for dragon and Boeing now has its hat in hand for more money or they might have to shut down Starliner themselves due to the losses. you know dragon has a toilet and I wonder if Starliner does as well
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ISS must be a junk yard then...
Being surrounded by equipment is one of the reasons why I am interested in scientific space flight. I think the approach of Dragon is more like offering space tourism.
I guess the privacy during use of Dragon's waste management system is quite limited. I don't know much about Starliner yet. But I guess in any case crews don't enjoy that much luxury like they do on the ISS or like they did on the Shuttle (or Skylab).
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That's a good point, Barrygolden. SpaceX hardware looks so much like a consumer grade stuff (which is not a bad thing in some ways, especially for tourists and for marketing
), but Starliner feels more Mil-spec equipment (imho) - almost all fighter jets and bombers look far less consumer attractive comparing to something like Embraer Praetor 600 cockpit.I don’t talk about budgets because we all know what government contracts really are lol Hands down, they [Boeing] could do the same job faster and for far less money, but it is what it is unfortunately..
Indeed it would
All of them, Orion, Starlines, Soyuz, etc., are nice trashcans
I guess all capsule-style spacecraft lack a proper lavatory due to their shape
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I guess all capsule-style spacecraft lack a proper lavatory due to their shape
Mostly due to their volume budget and allocation. Pressurized volume is always expensive, primary structure (the structure keeping the pressurized volume pressurized) always heavy. The capsule has to fit on certain launchers, which additionally limits the possible diameter of them, the Shuttle WAS the launcher, big advantage. Also wings can carry much more mass home than a parachute, only propulsive landings might compete there, since wings are heavy.
If you must fit so much crew into a can, and the other systems needed for reentry, there are not many options for luxury.
Would we make a "8m diameter capsule contest", I am sure, I proper bath room would have it easier to get included, but at the same time will be rather kept as small as possible to have more room for business/mission.
