Vessel Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway

[Urwumpe]

Well, since its getting closer to Christmas and the Deep Space Habitat already being history, what about making the Lunar Orbital Platform-Gateway?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Orbital_Platform-Gateway

It will very likely be the project of the next decade, but its not sure how far it will proceed despite the rather unambitious plans.

A modular version of it that could be launched in individual modules would be nice, pretty much a project like Donamys ISS A-Z is like, would be great.

A combination with a spawnable SLS would be perfect, since likely all assembly missions except the first launch a commercial vehicle will be by SLS.

 

[gattispilot]

Well we In the SLS add on has most of not all the items

 

[Urwumpe]

Well we In the SLS add on has most of not all the items

Sure? The last time I looked it was still containing a rather obsolete configuration of the Deep Space Gateway, not the LOP-G with the ESA involvement.

EDIT: Checked the latest release:

- Really obsolete configuration, just renamed LOP-G.
- Not modular as it seems, according to the meshes.
- Spawning SLS is still terrible with multistage.dll

 

[gattispilot]

That is the problem with trying to build something that isn't here yet. It keeps changing.

I agreed with the Spawning. But any MS2015 vessel will be like that.

Not sure what you mean about being Modular.

I think we had all the modules though?

 

[Urwumpe]

That is the problem with trying to build something that isn't here yet. It keeps changing.

Thus the request.

I agreed with the Spawning. But any MS2015 vessel will be like that.

Well, that is annoying for most who are not add-on developers and easily hack around in scenario files.

Not sure what you mean about being Modular.

Made of individual modules, not one big finished monolithic assembly. I can only find one big LOP mesh in your ZIP so far.

 

[gattispilot]

Oh. Well we have a PPE, 2 air lock vessels,CIs hab. modules.

 

[Urwumpe]

Oh. Well we have a PPE, 2 air lock vessels,CIs hab. modules.

Didn't find this yet, but well, I only checked the installation file here right now, didn't install a newer version since early May...

 

[gattispilot]

Pg 22-26 in the manual cover the different modules

 

[Urwumpe]

Pg 22-26 in the manual cover the different modules

And can you change the root of the ZIP file? the folder "SLS_-_LOP_Gateway" is pretty annoying.

Still, the PPE seems to be the only module that has some similarity to the current reference:

 

[fred18]

Well, that is annoying for most who are not add-on developers and easily hack around in scenario files.

Sorry to jump in but I don't completely understand this: multistage module is there exactly for those who are not add-on developers and can make the sls without having to code.

Relevant to the spawning I agree that is not my favourite way either. I studied a way to make multistage using multiple vessels and it could be feasible of course BUT: in order to make orbiter properly compute multiple vessels stack physics they must be docked, but the multiple docking handling is not friendly as the attachment system is, so it becomes a huge mess rapidly. Also multiple vessels docked sum the aerodynamic forces because orbiter does not compute the "shadow" effect of course.
So the best way to do a rocket composed by multiple vessels stacked is to use attachment, which means no physics updating... so you need to compute the physics of the rocket every stage, but then what's the point in recomputing everything exactly like the spawning vessels?
so the idea is still there but only partly implemented because of this.

Hope I made myself clear somehow

 

[Urwumpe]

So the best way to do a rocket composed by multiple vessels stacked is to use attachment, which means no physics updating... so you need to compute the physics of the rocket every stage, but then what's the point in recomputing everything exactly like the spawning vessels?
so the idea is still there but only partly implemented because of this.

Hope I made myself clear somehow

The main issue is: Can you create a multistage vessel with its payload by scenario editor or similar? Attachments are not the problem there - the historic ballast is worse.

 

[gattispilot]

The main issue is: Can you create a multistage vessel with its payload by scenario editor or similar? Attachments are not the problem there - the historic ballast is worse.

I don't think so. I think one could add the PPE,... in a scenario but not a SLS.

 

[Urwumpe]

I don't think so. I think one could add the PPE,... in a scenario but not a SLS.

Yes. And all that is essentially missing is just a function in scenario editor to attach the PPE to a SLS. Or program the SLS autopilot for a mission.

 

[fred18]

The main issue is: Can you create a multistage vessel with its payload by scenario editor or similar? Attachments are not the problem there - the historic ballast is worse.

MS2015 has the DMD which allows you to create the launch scenario in just a few simple clicks.

And if the user does not want to use that it is made in a way that only a very few lines are needed.

Personally, when I setup a scenario using a multistage, I just put in 3 lines, then open the sim, open the scenario editor and move the rocket where I want.

If you are talking about changing the payload dynamically in the sim, that's a feature I actually never thought about, BUT since MS2015 allows to use also live payloads it's not such a big thing to add, I will put this in the list for the future update

 

[gattispilot]

MS2015 has the DMD which allows you to create the launch scenario in just a few simple clicks.

And if the user does not want to use that it is made in a way that only a very few lines are needed.

Personally, when I setup a scenario using a multistage, I just put in 3 lines, then open the sim, open the scenario editor and move the rocket where I want.

If you are talking about changing the payload dynamically in the sim, that's a feature I actually never thought about, BUT since MS2015 allows to use also live payloads it's not such a big thing to add, I will put this in the list for the future update

Thats basically the way I do it. Edit the scn in notepad,.... and then open the scn and move the rocket.

---------- Post added at 06:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:15 PM ----------

So we have this:

Need to add rms. Might need to adjust docks?

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Current scenario state


Contains the latest simulation state.
END_DESC

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  System Sol
  Date MJD 55269.7408229176
  Help LOP-Gateway LEO
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship DSG
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET Orion
  MODE Extern
  POS 8.896054 131.641242 -6.966746
  TRACKMODE AbsoluteDirection
  FOV 50.64
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BEGIN_HUD
  TYPE Surface
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  NAVFREQ 0 0
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  DOCKINFO 0:0,PPE 1:0,DSG_Airlock
  NAVFREQ 0 0
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  eng_conf 0 
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