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I often use metaphor and such to express ideas. Your just speaking your mind. Your avatar showed a guy with long hair. The 'story' had something to do with music and networking. I was attempting to make a connection. To me that has a lot to do with Orbiter.

You are right. I just speak my mind. I guess this is an engineer kind-of-thing.
If you use metaphors to talk to me, I'll get lost easily. Did you mean that you have ideas of how IP communication works?

My degrees of enthusiam I achieve naturally. I cherish each moment for they can be fleeting. As to my degrees of focus, which 'mode' would you prefer?

Well, as we are discussing OMP here, and you want to use it for some simulation setting, I'd say let's focus on getting OMP to work in this simulation setting.
Getting Orbiter with OMP to work in Linux via Wine is not necessarily the easiest way to test something written for Windows. Especially since you (and me, too!) don't even know how good or bad OMP really fits your needs there.

I really don't like people suggesting how I think unless they're some kind of authority on the matter. Is that consistent with Orbiter's values? Avertising isn't allowed here. Don't pretend to be something your not. What are you going to post next? "Take a chill pill jimblah"

Hehe. Yeah... I really was once told to "hand out chill pills" regarding OMP, no joke. I really don't want to discuss OMP in this manner any more, that's why I try to calm overly enthusiastic people down right from start.

If you don't like people suggesting something, it is better you do not ask me anything anymore, because I'm a guy who suggests a lot if asked for opinions. Especially if asked with
Its entirely up to you.
Sorry for that, it is not intended to force you to do something the way I suggested it.

Who do you think I'm pretending to be, anyway?

regards,
Face
 
I've plugged my guitar effects processor into a quality soundcard and 'jammed' with someone on the other side of town... The sound quality was bad but I was curious. In a lot of bands the musicians hate each other. I wanted to conceptualize an artists colony with networked bungalows for rehearsal. That was ten years ago. I don't have a network cert, I was just screwing around on my own just getting into programming. I did make some inquiries with some networking professionals but was assured I wouldn't get the sound quality I was looking for.

All Face is saying is don't let your enthusiasm get ahead of the OMP coding and its capabilities or your in for a let down. I am guilty of that also ill admit. He's trying to do you a favor and perhaps save you a little time in the process. I am a metal musician myself and I didn't understand this part of your post in relation to OMP.
 
Deltawing777: Watched Cameron paying tribute to Clarke and Kubrik last night on the Special Features disk for 2001. Awesome. Im hoping I can clear up this little misunderstanding

All Face is saying is don't let your enthusiasm get ahead of the OMP coding and its capabilities or your in for a let down. I am guilty of that also ill admit. He's trying to do you a favor and perhaps save you a little time in the process. I am a metal musician myself and I didn't understand this part of your post in relation to OMP.

Enthusiasm is an emotion to me. Emotion is a form of intelligence as well as an extremely effective form of communication. It can also serve as the magnitude component of any particular thought when viewed as a vector. I don't see how enthusiasm can literally get ahead of the coding and its capabilities unless I started considering the development of our own addon called "CONAN"; California Orbiter simulation Nexus Axiomatic (multiplatform) Network plugin for the Orbiter 2010 Space Flight Simulator by Dr. Martin Schweiger... Freely available for download at the "California Consortium of Community College Districts, CSU and UC SpaceFlight Development" website. I'm a collaborator and a catalyst. From a system analysis and design 'enthusiast's' perspective, off-the-shelf applications (in this instance OMP) must be evaluated to their fullest to determine if they meet the necessary needs of a particular software component of the intended system's desired specifications overall.

My experience experimenting with the "online jamming" notion is indicative of my openness to explore every possible avenue to determine the feasibility of an implimentation regardless of the status quo's accepted methodologies. If my superior develops the desire to investigate a whim or notion, he or she can approach me off the record and be assured of quality information and detailed results of my findings for preliminary decisions.

I am not unique in this regard. I have attended classes at Cerritos Community College, Compton Community College, Pasadena Community College, Long Beach Community College, California State University Los Angeles, California State University Northridge, and California State University Sacramento. I have attended lectures and special events at California State University Long Beach, Cal Tech, UC Berkeley, UC Davis, and USC among others. My point is that I have a pretty good notion of how the educational system works in my state and how important space flight is to its economy and our pride for contributions elsewhere. My mom worked for McDonald Douglas, Rockwell International, Lockeed, and Northrop as an administrative secretary posessing a high security clearance. She was even approached to work for the CIA but refused. She wanted me to grow up in California.

The high schools and community college systems feed the CSU, UC, and Private school systems. The UC system specializes in theoretical development and the CSU system specializes in application. This is what OMP will compete with if it is to remain viable in respect to this simulation project, not me. The IT sector in California is extremely competitive. Students across the state are constantly looking for opportunities that will set themselves apart from the rest of the herd.

I prefer to 'serve in heaven, rather than rule in hell.' I also prefer applications and developers with extensive experience with the software systems I intend to utilize or recommend, especially if my sense of judgement is being evaluated. In this case OMP currently sets the standard.

Face
Did you mean that you have ideas of how IP communication works?

I believe I stated that I don't have a network cert. I studied Napster during its hay day, and could probably reimpliment it in a pinch. But then what's the point? I don't support software piracy or copywrite infingement. Besides, computer science has already progressed
to the point that I believe no one is capable of thoroughly understanding every nuance of every discipline. I know where to go if I need networking expertise. One person has an office a few doors down from where I am now. I have radical ideas that may never be developed because they simply aren't feasible. I would defer to Face's expertise in this area.

Well, as we are discussing OMP here, and you want to use it for some simulation setting, I'd say let's focus on getting OMP to work in this simulation setting. Getting Orbiter with OMP to work in Linux via Wine is not necessarily the easiest way to test something written for Windows. Especially since you (and me, too!) don't even know how good or bad OMP really fits your needs there.

My programming methodologies include a 'write it once and forget about it', Rapid Application Development model based on extensive planning and modeling. Addressing the same problem space over and over again year after year is not for me. That's how time, money, and headache begin to build. I don't recommend software like that if I'm in a consultant capacity.

Nothing good comes easy. The majority of my limited experience with Orbiter 2010 v101016 is on Linux. I'm accustomed to dealing with it and enjoy the challenge. Its documented in the Orbiter in Linux article started by Cinder1992. Five years of dealing exclusively with experimental software on the Linux platform has prepared me for this. A dual boot testing workstation devoted entirely to Orbiter and addon development allows me to compare and contrast, while evaluating extremes and the middle ground in between. This type of activity is an inate component to my natural thought process. For three hundred and fifty bucks I could purchase a G4 dual core machine to evaluate wine's ability to support OMP on OSX. I don't honestly feel like revisiting OMP seperately for each platform. It's inefficient, time consuming, and does not represent a production testing environment for optimized learning. If you can't keep up I understand. Your only one man.

While you're trying to get me to calm down, focus, and stick to XP, I begin to wonder about your aversion to try. If for some reason your not prepared for tests on all three platforms, I wish you'd be direct, blunt, ...harsh, yes that's the word, harsh and to the point. The only reason I'm not doing it independently on my own volition for the sheer joy of it is lack of funds. I begin purchasing hardware in earnest this coming week. I will be purchasing a 'new' used laptop by the end of it. I'm going to set this Inspiron 2650 up for another student and give it to him for less demanding work.

Testing OMP on XP makes sense. When we're done can we run a quick test via wine on Linux and OSX while the server is still up? Please... I promise to have my hardware and software in order before hand. Why should a test for connectivity and functionality have to take longer than 5 minutes for spectating? If you have something personal you need to take care of, I understand. I have personal matters that take precedence over Orbiter at times, in fact I've recently been exposed to something that means more.

If you don't like people suggesting something, it is better you do not ask me anything anymore, because I'm a guy who suggests a lot if asked for opinions. Especially if asked with

That's a no-brainer. I don't have to work with you, I want to. If it isn't meant to be I'll qiuetly disappear. No one offers suggestions to me a hundred miles off-shore. I know how to get there If I want it bad enough. In the last two days various native american indian tribes have been performing genuine dances and rituals here at City College. I'm Sioux on my father's side, Choctaw on my mother's. An ancient tribe is performing a dance right in front of the Learning Resource Center 100 ft from me as I finish this post. My 'enthusiasm' and 'focus' is deeply appreciated by Elder's of the Sioux tribe I spoke to yesterday. I'm not a freak to them. I got more respect from them yesterday than the last ninety here at the forum. I'm extremely motivated for this similator project to fly on its own. I've been invited to South Dakota. Watch me buy an awesome Meade telescope next with digital imaging hardware. They tell me the stars at night look like you could reach out and touch them. If you don't like my enthusiasm about that...
 
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I'm reflecting on many things at the moment.

To answer your question yes, but someone typically has to pay me to work with proprietary products. To employ an Orbiter metaphor I'm currently utilizing every technique I can think of to maintain a stable orbit close to the hospitable environment of planet earth. In fact I'm using Orbiter to strengthen the mental model. I prefer to be in a positive frame of mind when I do leave the solar system. I wouldn't want to reflect badly on the rest of you in the event that I meet someone out there.

I don't believe technology will initiate a first contact. People are like tuning forks to me and induced vibration is the model I use to explain human behavior. Humanity is very dissonant as a whole, painfully so. "Nails on chalk board" so, amped through some wicked stack.

I wish someone like Mozart were with us now... with the power to lull the orchestra into playing together harmoniously. A pied piper, if you will. Maybe then someone would stop by to appreciate how beautiful we are.

Lenny... I want to get away, I want to fly away...

Dave Mathews... Satellite.

I'm getting real good with the radio/radar/mp3 mfd in XP.

I'll be Ok, this is nothing. But I do need some space right now. I like Face a great deal and my feelings got hurt. I'm 41, I know how to deal with it.

:cheers:
 
To answer your question yes, but someone typically has to pay me to work with proprietary products. To employ an Orbiter metaphor I'm currently utilizing every technique I can think of to maintain a stable orbit close to the hospitable environment of planet earth. In fact I'm using Orbiter to strengthen the mental model. I prefer to be in a positive frame of mind when I do leave the solar system. I wouldn't want to reflect badly on the rest of you in the event that I meet someone out there.

I don't believe technology will initiate a first contact. People are like tuning forks to me and induced vibration is the model I use to explain human behavior. Humanity is very dissonant as a whole, painfully so. "Nails on chalk board" so, amped through some wicked stack.

I wish someone like Mozart were with us now... with the power to lull the orchestra into playing together harmoniously. A pied piper, if you will. Maybe then someone would stop by to appreciate how beautiful we are.

Lenny... I want to get away, I want to fly away...

Dave Mathews... Satellite.

I'm getting real good with the radio/radar/mp3 mfd in XP.

I'll be Ok, this is nothing. But I do need some space right now. I like Face a great deal and my feelings got hurt. I'm 41, I know how to deal with it.

:cheers:
Face is a nice guy. BTW I am also 41. I am on OMP at the moment practicing my Sub-orbital stuff if you would like to join me
 
Its AWESOME to get an invitation to use OMP.

Can I get a rain check? I was engaged once, just once. At the time I was very successfull financially. I've already mentioned her to Scruce because she was British. But then this same issue popped up regarding focus, and pills.

I'm already becoming a better person thanks to this. It's like a rock chord; one note is Nietzsche's "what doesn't kill me, makes me.." and the other is like the mutant Wolverine.

I want to be at optimum when I try OMP. I don't want to miss a thing.
I wish I could use the street language that I typically use. I feel like I'm in a grey poupon commercial when I'm here at the forum. I love expressing myself with vulgarity.

Your the man Deltawing777, Face is the man. I never really bore any serious animosity. My feelings were hurt a very long time ago, not by Face. Face, wherever you are, It wouldn't hurt my feelings to edit some of this stuff if it would benefit the forum. I'm sorry if I've over-reacted.
 
Can I get a rain check? I was engaged once, just once. At the time I was very successfull financially. I've already mentioned her to Scruce because she was British. But then this same issue popped up regarding focus, and pills.

I'm already becoming a better person thanks to this. It's like a rock chord; one note is Nietzsche's "what doesn't kill me, makes me.." and the other is like the mutant Wolverine.

I want to be at optimum when I try OMP. I don't want to miss a thing.
I wish I could use the street language that I typically use. I feel like I'm in a grey poupon commercial when I'm here at the forum. I love expressing myself with vulgarity.

Your the man Deltawing777, Face is the man. I never really bore any serious animosity. My feelings were hurt a very long time ago, not by Face. Face, wherever you are, It wouldn't hurt my feelings to edit some of this stuff if it would benefit the forum. I'm sorry if I've over-reacted.
I am the same as you jim as far as expressing myself with vulgarities. Every other word out of my mouth is a F word. But here, as I am sure you understand, we have underage kids on these forums, so yeah,thats not cool to do that. Also the forums are multi-cultural, so what you might think is a insult or whatever is nothing more then somebody overseas, where english might not be their native language, is responding back to a reply with no ill intent but it may come off that way. It is simply lost in translation. No big deal.But you do have more freedom of expression on the OMP site if that is your wish, so as long as it isn't of a sexual nature. There is still kids there but it is understood and they are asked to verify their age. But some do get through. But it is what it is. Don't like the language then don't get on the site. But anyways yeah rain check is good. If you have a microphone go download teamspeak3 and connect to address omp.dyndns-server.com port 9987 and we can talk voice. But Anyways I am getting off topic in this thread so before the moderators give me a warning Ill stop. Just Private message me if ya want to meet up

@Face sorry getting off topic...ummm use your mod powers as you see fit reguarding this post :) how is that knee doing? :cheers:
 
can't see other craft

I have install the omp,and connect successfully,my frend also connected,but why can't I see my friend's ship?I am new to omp...can you help?
 
I have install the omp,and connect successfully,my frend also connected,but why can't I see my friend's ship?I am new to omp...can you help?

He almost certainly did not connect properly. A good way to check if connected is to issue "\ls" in the chat. This will give you a list of all clients, and show either empty lines for vessel numbers, or the entry "no UDP!" (depending on the server version running) for clients that are not connected fully.

The usual cause for missing UDP is NAT. If you have a router and/or firewall, you need to open it up for the port you specified in the network setting (default 2502). Look here.

regards,
Face
 
Has anything changed with the software in last couple of weeks? I used to be able to run things fine but when I logged today I could not sync with server. I checked the log and noticed this reccurring item:

UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: Receiver timed out. Reconnecting...
UDP: Receiver socket started...
UDP: Receiver socket options set...
UDP: Receiver socket bound to UDP port...
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)

So it seems UDP is a problem. I fail to see why as I have all necessary ports forwarded and the sim ran without a hitch before.

EDIT: Problem resolved after re-enabling all NAT's in router
 
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Has anything changed with the software in last couple of weeks? I used to be able to run things fine but when I logged today I could not sync with server. I checked the log and noticed this reccurring item:

UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: Receiver timed out. Reconnecting...
UDP: Receiver socket started...
UDP: Receiver socket options set...
UDP: Receiver socket bound to UDP port...
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)
UDP: >S3000 0(3)

So it seems UDP is a problem. I fail to see why as I have all necessary ports forwarded and the sim ran without a hitch before.

EDIT: Problem resolved after re-enabling all NAT's in router

last couple of weeks? answer is no. We did revert back to 3.4.0 version and i re-uploaded it to orbiter hanger mods. Have you downloaded reverted client? if not I will refer you here http://omp.dyndns-server.com/install.php
 
Help!OMP Problem

Well,i installed OMP and all addons required for it,but i am router use,can anyone knoqw how do i set it to UDP and why orbiter time always keep 0.1 x in multiplayer sessions?

GuiConteDGIV2X
 
TCP isn't designed to be used with multiplayer. UDP works better because it's a connection less protocol. What that means is, if there is a problem the server can ignore the packet and deal with the next one. After all, its multiplayer so the current player positions are more important than previous ones.

If you use TCP its connection orientated and it would actually cause more issues that it solves.

you'll find most multiplayer games use UDP for this reason.
 
Man i am having trouble doing this could in the next version, you add TCP support?

What I am working on is a tunneling system that works over TCP. Basically, the client can open several TCP connections to the server (if the later grants these according to traffic and load) and then sends UDP packets tunneled over TCP distributed over all connections. The server then relays those packets to other clients.

While this system will certainly circumvent the NAT-troubles, it will introduce more latency to the information (relaying is the problem here, not the TCP transfer itself). Thus tunneled clients will have a worse user-experience than UDP clients.

regards,
Face
 
Thanks for the awnser anyways but i don't think i will be able to play it because i cant't find a way to foewar a port from TCP to UDP
 
Thanks for the awnser anyways but i don't think i will be able to play it because i cant't find a way to foewar a port from TCP to UDP
Well I know its a inconvenience. You are not the only one. With that being said we can wait on face to come up with a solution. Now also in Face's defense if you look at the disclaimer on Orbiter hanger it clearly says:
DISCLAIMER:
ORL (Orbiter Racing League) uses OMP (Orbiter Multiplayer Project) as multiplayer framework. OMP is not a finished product and as such subject to many hidden and/or obvious bugs and shortcomings. Support for it is limited.

There you go! Keep checking back for any new releases. I update Orbiter-hanger,Orbiter-Forums and Axertan updates the OMP website just as soon as face releases a new update and our OMP team gets together (usually first weekend after release) and tests it under server load in realtime. We are a new team and it is a learn as you go. But I think we are on right track now. So far so good :) Keep up the good work Face :thumbup:
 
Thanks for the awnser anyways but i don't think i will be able to play it because i cant't find a way to foewar a port from TCP to UDP
You could always try the OMP port manager. It should, in theory, open a port using universal plug and play (UPnP) interface and start OMP, and close the port when you close OMP.
It works with, as author of the port manager states:
sfpilot said:
a router with UPNP enabled (most routers have it enabled streight out of the box)
However, this did not work for my router and few other people, but why not give it a shot? :)
 
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