Updates Blue Origin announces the New Glenn Orbital Launch Vehicle

[MaverickSawyer]

It's funny that at the same time ILS is scaling down the Proton because they see a trend to lighter, more efficient payloads.

What is the business case for very-heavy lift?

Building orbital infrastructure. Jeff has previously stated that he wants to see millions of people living and working in space. You need upmass to do that.

 

[Urwumpe]

Building orbital infrastructure. Jeff has previously stated that he wants to see millions of people living and working in space. You need upmass to do that.

More so, you need a reasonable payload mass to modularize your payloads in such an infrastructure. Too small, and you have too tiny module to be effective. Too large and you put too many of your eggs into one basket which could be painful if you have no large flight rate yet.

But still, you can assume that the two stage version of the NG will be sized for a manned capsule provided by BO with a reasonable payload module. If you look at the mass of the Apollo CM, this could be a good hint.

 

[MaverickSawyer]

Also of note: http://spacenews.com/mowry-leaving-arianespace-for-blue-origin/

Clay Mowry, the longtime president of Arianespace’s U.S. subsidiary, is stepping down from the European launch services provider to join Blue Origin.

 

[boogabooga]

Seems like an odd career move to quit a company that has paying customers and join a startup without.

 

[dman]

Imagine that the 2 stage New Glenn be used for payloads to LEO

As stated in press release (mission beyond LEO) 3 stage New Glenn probably
used for lunar space (asteroid??) type missions

 

[Urwumpe]

Also of note: http://spacenews.com/mowry-leaving-arianespace-for-blue-origin/

Is there a similar thing to the German civil law in US Law, regarding how much time must pass before a manager can begin to work for a rival?

 

[boogabooga]

Is there a similar thing to the German civil law in US Law, regarding how much time must pass before a manager can begin to work for a rival?

I don't know, but I would expect something as such to be a condition of his individual contract.

 

[Urwumpe]

I don't know, but I would expect something as such to be a condition of his individual contract.

Same here, but there are some laws around such clauses, which pretty much regulate this. It is limited to 2 years and the former employer has to pay a compensation in that time (At least half of your last salary). But there is little you can do against such a clause then, such a clause is perfectly legal here and the fine for violating such a clause can be very high.

 

[Andy44]

Is there a similar thing to the German civil law in US Law, regarding how much time must pass before a manager can begin to work for a rival?

Not that I'm aware of. I think it would be awful though, if you are a specialist trying to switch jobs from Boeing to Lockheed Martin, 2 years is a long time for you skills to atrophy.

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Seems like an odd career move to quit a company that has paying customers and join a startup without.

Not really; if he is doing okay with his cash situation he probably wants to do something that seems more fresh and innovative.

 

[Urwumpe]

Not that I'm aware of. I think it would be awful though, if you are a specialist trying to switch jobs from Boeing to Lockheed Martin, 2 years is a long time for you skills to atrophy.

If you are a specialist, two years is really too long, we have an example case in business law lectures about a brewer being banned from working in Germany for another brewery for two years, which would violate the law against unfair contracts.

More typical are 6 months paid sabbatical to avoid interest conflicts for some managers.

 

[Col_Klonk]

6-9 months but there is another law stating that you cannot deprive a person from earning an income, so the restraint of trade contract could well be 'null and void'.
Many cases like this have been won here, against the contract.

A company would usually get around this by extending your resignation period (3-6 months, 2 years for CEO's Directors?), which your next company would wait for you (if you're worth it). In the meantime your current company would isolate you from further developments... so by the time your resignation period is up... you just wanna go!!

 

[Urwumpe]

6-9 months but there is another law stating that you cannot deprive a person from earning an income, so the restraint of trade contract could well be 'null and void'.

That is why the law here requires at least half of the previous income to be paid. That is the minimum requirement, usually you still have contracts within the legal limits that are individually unfair.

 

[GLS]

 

[Urwumpe]

Blue Origin just announced Eutelsat as first New Glenn customer. :thumbup:

 

[Kryten]

And payload figures; 45 tons to LEO, and 13 tons to GTO. Both are for the two-stage version with booster recovery.

 

[MaverickSawyer]

Also of relevance: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ettlement-of-the-moon/?utm_term=.136adb4e4aee

The latest to offer a proposal is Jeffrey P. Bezos, whose space company Blue Origin has been circulating a seven-page white paper to NASA leadership and President Trump's transition team about the company's interest in developing a lunar spacecraft with a lander that would touch down near a crater at the south pole where there is water and nearly continuous sunlight for solar energy. The memo urges the space agency to back an Amazon-like shipment service for the moon that would deliver gear for experiments, cargo and habitats by mid-2020, helping to enable “future human settlement” of the moon.

 

[Andy44]

Well, in the Expanse they show FedEx shipping containers being used in the Outer Planets region of the Solar System 200 years from now, so I guess Amazon boxes on Luna don't seem so odd.

 

[RGClark]

New Shepard: Suborbital.
New Glenn: Orbital.
New Armstrong: Lunar?

Like that!

Bob Clark

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Also of relevance: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ettlement-of-the-moon/?utm_term=.136adb4e4aee

Anyone see that white paper?

Bob Clark

 

[MaverickSawyer]

Like that!

Bob Clark

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Anyone see that white paper?

Bob Clark

I haven't been able to find it... yet. It may be more of a "gray" paper, which could contain sensitive information that they don't want to reveal yet.

 

[Thunder Chicken]

Well, in the Expanse they show FedEx shipping containers being used in the Outer Planets region of the Solar System 200 years from now, so I guess Amazon boxes on Luna don't seem so odd.

It'll probably be like this:

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