Salam, brothers and sisters!

[Soheil_Esy]

As the epicenter of the numbers of space launches slowly but irresistibly shifts toward Asia, it is appealing to see that in term of orbiter addons, Asia still lags sadly far behind the Western Hemisphere. As a matter of fact, the combined launches of Russia (RF), China (PRC), Japan (SJ), India (RI), Iran (IRI) and north Korea (DPRK) in 2014 amounted to 64 percent of the world's total. It is this bare ascertainment that brings me here today. My first goal is to make the most ambitious historical WWII era reconstitution. After years of investigation, and as informations are slowly leaked to the public media, it is time now to develop what could rightfully be named and nothing less than "The Mother of All Addons". Indeed, this is about the world's first astronauts and spaceships sometimes also called "pre-astronauts" and "pre-spaceships". There is neither official names disclosed nor details such as the mass, dimensions, speed, range, payload capacity, crew complement, endurance, armament, etc... Only guestimates. This epochal project will be temporarily known as "The FU-GO-4 Project".
Will be back every 90 minutes or so.:camera:

P.S.: English is not the most spoken mother tongue on Earth. Sorry if I make mistakes, since the most widely spoken language in the Universe is of course the language of science.

Soheil_Esy

 

[PhantomCruiser]

Agreed, maths are pretty universal. Followed by music, although it can be argued that math and music run together. Science is ever evolving as new truths are discovered.

Welcome to the forums by the way!

 

[boogabooga]

Greetings.

I'm sorry if you feel that there is a "Western" bias in Orbiter add-ons. But to be frank I am not sure you are looking hard enough.

The Russian/Soviet space program is WELL represented by some of the finest add-ons on Orbiter Hanger:

[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=4545"]Soyuz FG/U v1.2[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3737"]International Space Station v.3.2[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3209"]Proton Launch Vehicle v.2.2[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=2536"]Mir Space Station v.1.3[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=6318"]Vostok v1.1 (for external graphic clients)[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=4419"]R-7 Early Missions[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3761"]Vostok-Luna: Block E, Luna-1-2-3[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3299"]Molniya Rocket Pack (Block L, Molniya-1, Luna-9, L[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=6753"]Dnepr Launch Vehicle[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=5965"]Angara Launch Vehicle[/ame]

China's manned space program is likewise represented:
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3179"]China's Manned Space Program v1.5[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=5920"]Shenzhou 9[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=5917"]Tiangong 1[/ame]

The North Korean Unha-3 has also been modeled:
http://www.orbiter-forum.com/showthread.php?p=350064&postcount=12

Also, Japan
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=6690"]Hayabusa 2[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=4197"]H-IIB HTV[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=4696"]Suisei & Sakigake[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3460"]MV Missions[/ame]

India (Although I can't confirm that these work in Orbiter 2010):
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3287"]Sriharikota base and updated PSLV & GSLV textures[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3100"]India Space Research Organization's GSLV Mk I/II[/ame]
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=3119"]Indian Space Research Organization's PSLV[/ame]

Even Brazil
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=6079"]Brazilian Space Program for Orbiter v2[/ame]

While true that 64% of the worlds launches are from the countries you mention, the majority of their activity is launching satellites to Earth orbit- not the most fun thing to do in Orbiter, so fewer add-ons. People are usually more interested in space stations, flying to the moon, interplanetary travel, etc.

Actually, probably most Orbiter activity is spent on fantasy spacecraft with no national origin at all (Delta Glider, XR series, Arrow Freighter, and so on).

If you want to launch your fantasy spacecraft from somewhere other than Cape Canaveral in the United States, you can try this add-on:
[ame="http://www.orbithangar.com/searchid.php?ID=6007"]Orbiter stock bases upgrade[/ame]

Good luck on your project.

P.S.

Oddly enough, it turned out very difficult to make an internet forum in the language "Science." English will have to do for now.

 

[Soheil_Esy]

It is not criticism about "Western bias"

I'm sorry if you feel that there is a "Western" bias in Orbiter add-ons. But to be frank I am not sure you are looking hard enough.
People are usually more interested in space stations, flying to the moon, interplanetary travel, etc.

Thank you for your warm welcome boogabooga. It is not criticism about "Western bias" but as I pointed earlier with a new fellow Japanese recruit, it is about the lack of Japanese players or Iranians, thus the lack of developers. Asians don't produce addons in significant number because they need first to master both English and basic astronautics concepts which will automatically turn most of them down, leaving only older but busier generations...thus no addons.
It is quite natural that people tend to develop addons covering what they know best, thus their national space program in the first place.

The highly secretive Soviet space program used to be a treasure trove of hardware. Now, China is also disclosing half century old secrets.
So my extended wish list includes:

• China's 1968 Qianjunbang-1 surveillance spacecraft with a crew of two,three or five
• Qianjunbang-2 space fighter with a crew of two,three or five
• The associated launcher DongFeng-6, with payload of 6,000 kg planned for 1969-1970
• China's CZ-10 SLV for launching 50 tons space plane and 150 tons space station planned for 1975
• The new WU-14 Chinese hypersonic glide vehicle (HGV)
• Some of certainly the most intriging night display visible these days: the famous Yaogan triplets (or CNOSS), that are increasing in numbers like bacteria, at the origin of the UFOlogist's alien triangles
• Some of the largest spacecrafts such a the Mentor, Vortex satellites series with near 100 meters antenna!
• Lacross-5 stealth satellite using mysterious cloaking device
• Iran orbital manned spacecraft
• Wenchang SLC
• Imam Khomeini SLC
• Sharud SLC

 

[Pipcard]

Now, China is also disclosing half century old secrets. So my extended wish list includes:

I tried looking up 'Qianjunbang spacecraft', but I couldn't find any information about it. Are these completely fictional concepts?

The only Chinese manned spacecraft concept that I know from that time period is Shuguang, which would have been similar to the Gemini spacecraft. I also couldn't find any information about a CZ-10 (Long March 10*) or a 150-ton space station in 1975.

*but Long March 9 is a plan for a future heavy lift launcher.

 

[boogabooga]

Sorry for the confusion. This sentence:

it is appealing [sic] to see that in term of orbiter addons, Asia still lags sadly far behind the Western Hemisphere.

made it seem that you were talking about add-ons, not add-on developers.

Out of the list, the space launch complexes are the most do-able. There are sources for ground textures, and tutorials for creating bases.

It is going to be impossible to find info for some of those mystery projects, regardless of what country you are from.

 

[Soheil_Esy]

I tried looking up 'Qianjunbang spacecraft', but I couldn't find any information about it. Are these completely fictional concepts?

The only Chinese manned spacecraft concept that I know from that time period is Shuguang, which would have been similar to the Gemini spacecraft. I also couldn't find any information about a CZ-10 (Long March 10*) or a 150-ton space station in 1975.

*but Long March 9 is a plan for a future heavy lift launcher.

Thats why I am here. First, all these have been disclosed in a biography about Dr. Qian Xuesen, the father of modern astronautics several years ago. Simply use baidu for more. All related to Project 714.

• Clone-Forum of Nasaspaceflight with clone-moderators:
• http://bbs.9ifly.cn/thread-11939-1-1.html
  
• Refering to a blog:
• http://ruqirensheng.blog.sohu.com/262893799.html
• Same info in military websites:
• http://www.51junshi.com/bbs2/201212/thread_80790_1_3.html
  
• At the source, the biography:
• http://edu.cnr.cn/list/20150202/t20150202_517611526.shtml

Conclusion: try to improve your command in Mandarin. Mandarin has more than 1000 million native speakers. This large no. of speakers made this language as the most spoken language in the world. If we talk about the percentage total then, in the whole world population, 14.1% people speak Mandarin.

 

[Delta glider]

Well, I'm shocked there are north Korean rocket addons, cause I would be scared that they don't get turned against us.

 

[Urwumpe]

Well, I'm shocked there are north Korean rocket addons, cause I would be scared that they don't get turned against us.

Right now, UCGO is the most deadly add-on around. :lol:

 

[Soheil_Esy]

We are no more in the winter of 1944

Well, I'm shocked there are north Korean rocket addons, cause I would be scared that they don't get turned against us.

Don't worry, the great scare of FU-GO sighting is over, we are no more in the winter of 1944!
:hide::hide::hide:

 

[jedidia]

Va aleikum i selam (bosnian orthography, in case you're wondering :lol: ) and welcome to the board!

That's some ambitious plans you have there, for sure. I wish you the best of luck with it!
And by the way, not everyone here has english as their mother tongue. Not by a long shot in fact. From what I hear from asia, their average command of english is probably better than in Switzerland or Germany, so I don't think the language barrier is too much of an issue there...

 

[SolarLiner]

!

Well yeah, the Eastern hemisphere is better in English than France is :lol:
Don't think language is a barrier, it has to be more because of the economic development of some of those countries, but that's something more for the basement.

For the languages spoken, IIRC English is the most spoken (not necessarily as a other tongue) language, but yeah, Maths is a "special language" that is universally spoken everywhere on Earth, and even by Mother Nature herself.

 

[Soheil_Esy]

You should be more fluent than Asians

Va aleikum i selam (bosnian orthography, in case you're wondering :lol: ) and welcome to the board!

And by the way, not everyone here has english as their mother tongue. From what I hear from asia, their average command of english is probably better than in Switzerland or Germany, so I don't think the language barrier is too much of an issue there...

Thank you for your most warm welcome. Strange feeling you reminds me of an other bosnian called "berislac"...:hmm: Anyway, Old English developed from a set of Anglo-Frisian or North Sea Germanic dialects originally spoken along the coasts of Frisia, Lower Saxony, Jutland and Southern Sweden by Germanic tribes traditionally known as the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. So you should be more fluent than Asians.:yes:

 

[Urwumpe]

Thank you for your most warm welcome. Strange feeling you reminds me of an other bosnian call "berislac"...:hmm: Anyway, Old English developed from a set of Anglo-Frisian or North Sea Germanic dialects originally spoken along the coasts of Frisia, Lower Saxony, Jutland and Southern Sweden by Germanic tribes traditionally known as the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. So you should be more fluent than Asians.:yes:

Actually... its WAAAAAAY more complex.

Modern German has been defined after we had conquered France after France conquered us.... the relationship is best described as "It's complicated".

Low German and especially the lower Saxon dialects are really close to old English. But those are not that much closer to Standard German than English. Especially its VERY hard to talk to somebody speaking a high German dialect (Like Bavarian) in Low Saxon - he will demand you to speak proper German (which is Bavarian to him :lol: )

But then, its much harder to understand somebody speaking the Sorbian dialect if you are from anywhere outside their swamps (The name of the home region of the Sorbs, Lusatia, is derived from the Sorbian word for swamp). But then, there are only 60,000 Sorbs left...

 

[Soheil_Esy]

Math is an integral part of science

Agreed, maths are pretty universal. Followed by music, although it can be argued that math and music run together. Science is ever evolving as new truths are discovered.

Welcome to the forums by the way!

Thank you for your warm welcome. Math is an integral part of science, and music is basically encodings transmitted via air vibrations to the ears then neural code to the brain. It is well developed in Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, also known as GEB, a 1979 book by Douglas Hofstadter.
The idea was a language common to all civilizations thus the 99.999% of the Universe's advanced exocivilizations.

 

[TachyonDriver]

Welcome!

I'm just glad that your (all you guys for whom English is not your native language!) command & understanding of written English is far, far better than anything I could write in any other language (I did get a basic qualification in French, but that was 30+years ago!).

Happy Orbiting!

 

[jedidia]

nyway, Old English developed from a set of Anglo-Frisian or North Sea Germanic dialects originally spoken along the coasts of Frisia, Lower Saxony, Jutland and Southern Sweden by Germanic tribes traditionally known as the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. So you should be more fluent than Asians.

Well, I think I understand the english a lot better than the frisian, if it comes to that... and how adept they are at english... well, I faintly remember Otto making an entire movie about that.

Anyways, Swiss german is another animal entirely again, having its major roots actually in celtic gaulish that got mixed with germanic dialects. All in all, it really doesn't matter that much nowadays. Modern German (whichever variety) and modern english have practically nothing in common.

 

[Codz]

Welcome to the forums!

 

[Matias Saibene]

Well, I'm shocked there are north Korean rocket addons, cause I would be scared that they don't get turned against us.

The Probe is protecting us.

!

Well yeah, the Eastern hemisphere is better in English than France is :lol:
Don't think language is a barrier, it has to be more because of the economic development of some of those countries, but that's something more for the basement.

For the languages spoken, IIRC English is the most spoken (not necessarily as a other tongue) language, but yeah, Maths is a "special language" that is universally spoken everywhere on Earth, and even by Mother Nature herself.

Sorry but I do not understand math and am part of the universe. I'll have to speak Esperanto.:facepalm:

 

[jedidia]

I'll have to speak Esperanto.

After all, everyone understands that so much better :rofl: