News Terror attacks in Mumbai!

[jedidia]

I just received note through some insider channels from india, aparently the attacks on the hotels are not the worst things happening currently, just the only things you hear about.

Granted, there's no connection between these two incidents, but I'm posting this here anyways because its relation to india, so here goes:

In the province Ossiria, a well-known Hindu priest and four of his accolites were murdered by unknown. The incident unleashed a lynch mob that went rampege, attacking christians (which they blame for the murder) for several days. It is suspected that this will go on for another 14 days, until the period of grievance for the priest will be over.

So far there are accounts of over 5000 houses and churches burnt in the whole province. An estimate of deaths is not possible at the moment, but it seems that more than a dozen tribes that converted to christianity have been extinct. Several prphanages have been attacked and the keepers killed. Police are doing all they can, but they are hopelessly outnumbered.

I wonder how long it takes for our media to pick up on this...??

 

[Urwumpe]

I wonder how long it takes for our media to pick up on this...??

Years.

It was already surprising that they wrote about the mob which attacked a Christian community in Egypt last week. Was one episode more on the topic of illegally constructed churches and mosques. The church was build "illegally" inside a former textile factory, and right on the opposite side of the new church, Islamists established a improvisatory mosque inside an apartment, disturbing the opening celebrations of the Christian church with loudspeakers. When the Islamic chants and insults against the Christians did not stop, the Christians went over to "ask the Islamists to be a bit more silent and respectful", resulting in violence.

Luckily the police was on scene and arrested the attackers quickly, but the police also said: If they wouldn't have reacted so fast and secured the place, the Islamist attackers would have transported fanatics in trucks to the place.

It is a bit hard not to see the Islamists as the attackers, though not all is explained yet. Only hours later, the Egypt government passed a law against illegal churches and mosques and also made it possible for religious minorities like the Christians to legally build churches at all.

 

[bujin]

Allow me to clarify that Islamic factions and right wing Christians are entirely different animals, Islam having much more blood on its hands recently.

Just a slight correction.

 

[jedidia]

Plus I am sceptic about how fast that would change if christian fundamentalists had the opportunity to establish a theocracy somewhere...

Anyways, after some digging into the matter I noticed that the mail that reached me today was on quite a journey, and the sender unfortunately did not put a date on the events. The events I described seem to have happened allready in september. I am unable to get a clear information on the current situation.

 

[Moonwalker]

Name one that isn't...

Well, I think it is rather obvious that parts of islamic cultures enable a matchless organized terrorism in the 21 century. That terrorism clearly is against democracy and freedom. It is against a religion and its cultures which begun to prefer to make progress technologically and socially a long time ago already. A comparison between current parts of the Islam and Christianity is invalid.

I don't talk about "the" Islam. I talk about parts of its still retarded suppressing cultures which hold a world view (including an extermination of Jewishness) which does not fit to the 21 century anymore. Those desert animals suffer from loss of reality. It is without example. It's like a despicable virus, which has turned into a threat for us obviously.

 

[eveningsky339]

Just a slight correction.

Oh buddy, you haven't studied the history of Islam. They early beginnings were extremely violent (the new Imam was elected via killing the old one), however violence died down completely during the Arabian "Golden Years". It has picked up since the decline of Arabian culture in terms of scientific supremcy, etc.

On a happy note, the last three gunmen have been killed.

 

[Moonwalker]

Plus I am sceptic about how fast that would change if christian fundamentalists had the opportunity to establish a theocracy somewhere...

Which they did not. This is the big difference between Christianity and Islam I see. Most parts of the Islam did not develope. No matter if we talk about moral sciences, natural sciences and industries / technological progress. They like our means of transportation, they like Coca Cola, and of course they like Dollars and Euros. But they don't like our freedom and the position of our women within our society, although some of those brainwashed retards prefer to live here in Europe and the USA anyhow.

I don't care anymore if somebody tries to tell me how peaceful "the" Islam is like. The reality of the 21st Century looks different.

 

[simonpro]

Threads such as this really do scare me.

 

[Ghostrider]

Threads such as this really do scare me.

Well, to each his own.

 

[Urwumpe]

Threads such as this really do scare me.

The suicide bombers are sometimes not the guys with the TNT...

 

[jedidia]

Which they did not.

Oh, they don't currently, because they're not in a sufficent majority (allways refering to the fundamentalists here, not to christians in general). There were several attempts through history though, and they all weren't well known for their peacefullness and tolerance.

Most parts of the Islam did not develope. No matter if we talk about moral sciences, natural sciences and industries / technological progress.

*sigh*

about 80 percent of the world did not develop. "The West" is courently on a technological, economical and social peak, and I think they allready passed over it. but we're a minority, and the 21. century is not quite what you make it out to be for most parts of the world. And the 80% above are only slightly overestimated.
When you look back to the early until late middle ages, christian countries were the ones underdeveloped. The Muslim empire (which shifted leadership from Arabia to persia and finally to turkey, but it was still the islamic empire) was far ahead technologically, economicaly and culturaly. They translated the greek philosophers when the west was still trying to pick up the pieces of the broken roman empire. If they wouldn't have brought them with them when they concered spain we wouldn't have gotten to them for another 2 or 3 hundered years!

The Islamic empire has since then declined in power and fallen apart. They are in THEIR dark ages right now, trying to pick up the pieces of what was a sofisticated culture for several centuries. They will come out of it eventually, and we will get back there eventually. Never forgett the rise and fall during the course of history! And never assume that the whole world will ever arive in a new century (metaphorically speaking) at the same time. It will allways be a minority at the top, and just because that is currently us may be a reason to brag a bit, but not to get feelings of moral and social superiority.

 

[GregBurch]

Threads such as this really do scare me.

Why?

 

[Moonwalker]

The big differences between Christianity and Islam are not deniable, less than ever in the 21st Century.

I'm not one of those blind Europeans anymore who turns his other cheek too. We have a global problem with islamic fundamentalism today. No matter what happend a few hundred years ago somewhere else, which is not quite a smart apology.

 

[Urwumpe]

There are days, where you can't eat as much, as you want to vomit.

 

[Andy44]

Christianity had a theocracy. Several in fact, under various factions. Out of those theocracies came the Enlightenment. There is a direct link between christianity and the enlightenment thinkers. You can't cut away that part of our history anymore than you can deny that the sun comes up every day.

I'm certainly no fan of christian fundamentalism, and I will not pretend I have great concern for what happens to christians in Egypt or Sudan as opposed to those closer to home, but I do keep an eye on the things the media chooses to report on, and it's pretty clear to me that since christianity is not politically correct and attacks on christians by poor oppressed muslims don't fit the leftist narrative, these sorts of stories often get shuffled under the rug.

 

[jedidia]

The big differences between Christianity and Islam are not deniable, less than ever in the 21st Century.

They weren't denyable in the 12. century either... just there it was the other way around.

No matter what happend a few hundred years ago somewhere else, which is not quite a smart apology.

It's not an apology at all. It's just a reminder to not get overconfident with ourselves and our achievements. I'm not denying the problem we have at hand, and less than anything I want to justify the atrocities commited. It's just a warning: If we forgett were we came from, we forgett were we're going to. And we forgett that our future might not be so bright as our presence, economicaly, politicaly AND ethicaly. For stable ethics allways arise on the basis of stable economy and society. (expressed very simplified. I know it's alot more complex)
Plus, some people really forgett that the world doesn't look the way it looks here.

it's pretty clear to me that since christianity is not politically correct and attacks on christians by poor oppressed muslims don't fit the leftist narrative, these sorts of stories often get shuffled under the rug.

That is of course true. Like the one I posted a bit before, though commited by Hindus, not Muslims

 

[RichWall]

When you look back to the early until late middle ages, christian countries were the ones underdeveloped. The Muslim empire (which shifted leadership from Arabia to persia and finally to turkey, but it was still the islamic empire) was far ahead technologically, economicaly and culturaly. They translated the greek philosophers when the west was still trying to pick up the pieces of the broken roman empire. If they wouldn't have brought them with them when they concered spain we wouldn't have gotten to them for another 2 or 3 hundered years!

The Islamic empire has since then declined in power and fallen apart. They are in THEIR dark ages right now, trying to pick up the pieces of what was a sofisticated culture for several centuries. They will come out of it eventually, and we will get back there eventually. Never forgett the rise and fall during the course of history! And never assume that the whole world will ever arive in a new century (metaphorically speaking) at the same time. It will allways be a minority at the top, and just because that is currently us may be a reason to brag a bit, but not to get feelings of moral and social superiority.

Christianity had a theocracy. Several in fact, under various factions. Out of those theocracies came the Enlightenment. There is a direct link between christianity and the enlightenment thinkers. You can't cut away that part of our history anymore than you can deny that the sun comes up every day.

I'm certainly no fan of christian fundamentalism, and I will not pretend I have great concern for what happens to christians in Egypt or Sudan as opposed to those closer to home, but I do keep an eye on the things the media chooses to report on, and it's pretty clear to me that since christianity is not politically correct and attacks on christians by poor oppressed muslims don't fit the leftist narrative, these sorts of stories often get shuffled under the rug.

It's not an apology at all. It's just a reminder to not get overconfident with ourselves and our achievements. I'm not denying the problem we have at hand, and less than anything I want to justify the atrocities commited. It's just a warning: If we forgett were we came from, we forgett were we're going to. And we forgett that our future might not be so bright as our presence, economicaly, politicaly AND ethicaly. For stable ethics allways arise on the basis of stable economy and society. (expressed very simplified. I know it's alot more complex)
Plus, some people really forgett that the world doesn't look the way it looks here.

All excellent points and a good read.

Political Correctness is another way of dumbing down people IMO.

 

[eveningsky339]

Why?

Some people like to believe that all religions are inherently good because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside.

 

[Urwumpe]

Some people like to believe that all religions are inherently good because it makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside.

Some drugs can do the same, still people complain about them.

 

[simonpro]

Why?

Urwumpe answered that question for me, or at least gave me a good quote:

The suicide bombers are sometimes not the guys with the TNT...

The ignorance of a lot of people* causes and reinforces a lot of the problems wer'e experiencing now.
As Osler said, "The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.

Some drugs can do the same, still people complain about them.

If my current slightly hungover state is anything to go by, I think I may have been feeling very warm and fuzzy last night





*though by no means everyone here, there's some very knowledgable people around on here, way more knowledgabkle than me