Question Gettysburg 150 aniversary.

[Notebook]

Generic question, not much interest here, though it may pick up as the date gets closer. Is there much happening in the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gettysburg

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[boogabooga]

I've been there many times.

In Gettysburg, yes.
It's a large tourist attraction and there is always something going on anyway, especially in late June/ early July.

In the rest of the country, not so much.

 

[Melvin]

In the rest of the country, not so much.

It's unfortunate that most Americans have shelved the memory of The Civil War. The idea of brother killing brother and neighbor killing neighbor over political ideals has been lost on so many.

This is why I fear that we are doomed to repeat that awful business.

Iced Earth didn't forget though.

 

[PhantomCruiser]

...In the rest of the country, not so much.

Not quite true, there is a lot going on here in Tennessee, particularly around Shiloh and Chattanooga/Chickamauga.

 

[boogabooga]

Really?

Both big battle sites in their own right.

Do you mean they are celebrating their own 150th anniversary, or Gettysburg's 150th anniversary?

I've been to Chickamauga, it's almost as nice as Gettysburg, but less commercial. The worst disaster in the history of the small town I grew up in occurred when it's regiment took a Confederate volley just before the route. I went to visit the memorial.

I've been to the Chattanooga battle park on Lookout Mountain as well, but it's not as well preserved and there are battle plaques right in private neighborhoods.

 

[PhantomCruiser]

They will both have their own 150th "celebration". I know several re-enactors who've made huge plans for both sites. To hear them, Shiloh should be spectacular.

Yeah, the top of Lookout Mountain is mostly residential; there is Point Park, but nothing really happened up there. "The Battle Above the Clouds" took place on the shelf at the Craven house.

 

[boogabooga]

Re-enactors only get so-much vacation time. I imagine everyone would want to to Gettysburg. It's a gamble to put on three epic-scale events in one year.

 

[boogabooga]

Here is something:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...-Second-Look-at-the-Battle-of-Gettysburg.html

 

[Notebook]

Thanks, is the title "Yankee" derogatry? I don't see the phrase "Rebel"?


Marvellous stuff, the more I view, the more to see.

N.

 

[stevcast]

Not quite true, there is a lot going on here in Tennessee, particularly around Shiloh and Chattanooga/Chickamauga.

I've been to the Chickamauga battlefield and museum. It is a very sobering experience knowing that only a relatively short time ago, there was so much pain and suffering. Every time we go to the battlefield, I visit the grave of John Ingram, the only rebel soldier that is known to be buried on the battlefield proper. I believe he was only 19 years old when he was killed, and his parents owned some of the land that the battlefield is on today.
I hope that we never visit that "dark place" again.

 

[boogabooga]

Thanks, is the title "Yankee" derogatry? I don't see the phrase "Rebel"?

No.
In England, sure, but not here, and purposely so.

Especially in a Civil War context, it's fine. Union, Yankee, Federal, Blue, and Northern all mean about the same. As do Confederate, Southern, Rebel, and Grey.

 

[PhantomCruiser]

There might be some places where yankee is still a derogatory term, but no around the Chattanooga area, it's far from cosmopoliton but we've got people from a wide area (lots og Germans now tha VW and Wacker have moved in).

Far worse than yankee is "carpetbagger", we still have those people coming in.

 

[Cras]

It's unfortunate that most Americans have shelved the memory of The Civil War.

This is just not true. All over there is plenty of memory, memorial, remembrance of the Civil War. It is just flat out silly to suggest it has faded from memory, we still feel the scars from that great conflict to this day, and we should always remember those great men who held the union together. And as someone who grew up in Illinois every school child learns of her native sons Abraham Lincoln and U.S. Grant who provided such great leadership during this time.


Shelve the memory of the Civil War, just ridiculous. There are a few wars that Americans have seemingly forgotten, the Civil War is not even remotely close to being one of them.

 

[boogabooga]

Far worse than yankee is "carpetbagger", we still have those people coming in.

Oh, so people from Ohio are not welcome to move to TN. :lol:

And as someone who grew up in Illinois every school child learns of her native sons Abraham Lincoln and U.S. Grant who provided such great leadership during this time.

Grant was from Ohio.

 

[PhantomCruiser]

Oh, so people from Ohio are not welcome to move to TN. :lol:

Oh no, far from it (but now that you mention it, there's a whole lot of people from Ohio buying land in upper-middle TN).

Since the "prevailing wages" are less here than elsewhere in the country, there are quite a few firms that set up shop to exploit the cheap labor. TN is a "right-to-work" state, so anybody can be fired for no reason other than the boss saying "hit the road". It makes for some bitterness... THOSE are the carpetbaggers that I refer too.

But by all means, sure, come to TN. Enjoy the scenery, open businesses, just be fair to the work force; we're people after all, not pack mules.

 

[Cras]

Grant was from Ohio.

Born in Ohio yes, but then Lincoln was not born in Illinois either. But Grant was from Galena, Illinois. Go there today and they won't let you forget it. His picture is all over the place there, not to mention the historical monument.

Lovely town by the way.

 

[Linguofreak]

Thanks, is the title "Yankee" derogatry?

In the eyes of those that give the "title", quite often.

In the eyes of those who receive it, it is generally seen as a badge of honor.

"Yankee Doodle" was originally a British song used to mock the American colonists/rebels. We decided we liked it.

 

[Melvin]

Shelve the memory of the Civil War, just ridiculous. There are a few wars that Americans have seemingly forgotten, the Civil War is not even remotely close to being one of them.

I really must get a pair of those rose colored glasses that you are looking through.

Did you watch the mainstream media at all today? How much was mentioned about Gettysburg? I know in the ~2 hours I watched, I saw absolutely nothing. Poor Trayvon and Barry's Million dollar trip to Africa are topping the news.


No time to learn from our past, it makes for crappy ratings... guess only foreign agencies will cover the next one.

 

[TMac3000]

I really must get a pair of those rose colored glasses that you are looking through.

Did you watch the mainstream media at all today? How much was mentioned about Gettysburg? I know in the ~2 hours I watched, I saw absolutely nothing. Poor Trayvon and Barry's Million dollar trip to Africa are topping the news.


No time to learn from our past, it makes for crappy ratings... guess only foreign agencies will cover the next one.

Sorry, but I have to side with Cras on this one. While I'll agree with you that the media's priorities are sickening (Sarah Murnaghan's story of having to fight the federal government for a life saving operation was buried on Yahoo in favor of Paula Deen saying the N-word some 20 years ago), I assure you that the memory of the Civil War is still very much alive in America--although all the political correctness nonsense these days tends to distract us from its real lessons

 

[Melvin]

I dare you to go out on the street and ask some random folks what years the Civil War was fought.

I guarantee most will not know the answer.

Then ask them who the two major opposing generals were (looking for a simple answer to a simple question here).

They may get one or the other, but few will get both.


Go ahead, try it. In fact, try it on a college campus.