Request Devs Wanted for Real Life Moon Mission

[joertexas]

The thing is, you are not the first to come here and propose this idea. You won't be the last. We are skeptical - if that is an issue then spend a little bit of time answering peoples questions. If you do I'll guarentee you'll get a much more positive outcome from people.

What questions, sir, have you asked me? There is a written record of this entire conversation - feel free to go back and point out a single question you've asked about what I actually have in mind. All you've done is bash the website and indulge in speculation based on what you *think* you know, and then, somehow, come to the conclusion that I'm wasting my time. You don't have the first clue about what I actually have planned because you - no one here - has said "Gee, JR, what do you have in mind?"

If this treatment is respectful, I'd hate to see what you consider rude and insulting.

JR

 

[jedidia]

If this treatment is respectful, I'd hate to see what you consider rude and insulting.

If you considered the conduct in this thread so far disrespectful, I'm afraid you'll feel roasted alife once some critique from experts hits you project.

And seriously, the website makes for a bad first impression. Marketing isn't exactly an area you can take lightly when your project needs numbers with more than 4 digits. People just don't want to give their money to someone that doesn't look serious.

 

[garyw]

What questions, sir, have you asked me?

Not just me - others in the thread but if you want questions then here are a few:

• What sort of LV are you considering for this mission?
• What fuel?
• Is this part of the X-Prize or not?
• how much testing has been done?

All you've done is bash the website and indulge in speculation based on what you *think* you know, and then, somehow, come to the conclusion that I'm wasting my time. You don't have the first clue about what I actually have planned because you - no one here - has said "Gee, JR, what do you have in mind?"

Then take some time and TELL US what you have in mind, in the absence of information people speculate. I'm guilty of that, now is your chance to put the record straight.

If this treatment is respectful, I'd hate to see what you consider rude and insulting.

JR

I could consider that comment insulting but instead I'll accept it was borne out of frustation so here is your chance and I promise I'll be open minded. Tell us what you have in mind? Whats the plan? As has already been pointed out - for the marketing video you'll be better of with 3DSMax or similar. Maybe STK for the more technical parts.

 

[Hielor]

no one here - has said "Gee, JR, what do you have in mind?"

Okay, I'll bite, because details of space flight things are what this forum is good at.

Gee, JR, what do you have in mind?

 

[Engineer]

I am going to be perfectly straight forward here. most the posts pertaining to the website are negative and condescending. A lot of hard work was put into the site by several people who I have come to respect. he simply asked if you are interested, come check things out. if you want to help, please do. The website is in the works of being updated, but you have to understand this is not a funded project. We aren't on salaries and neither are you yet we all work on what we believe in. It bugs the hell out of me that you can judge a site on its looks alone, but it bugs me even more to see a bunch of enthusiasts of space flight, industrialization, and colonization so against a project that is in your belief's main interests. If you have something to point out on the site, I ask you do it in a constructive manner. if you can't, then just insult it it. a simple credo I like is treat every one like a gentleman. not because they are, but because you are. I haven't even met any of you, yet you insult not only our community, but our personal work. I bet you wouldn't like it if I called your work second rate. and garyw, these questions I see very few of. what I do see are these comments:
So, it's not been updated in at least 10 years. Not exactly encouragement that it's a serious site.
this sounds to me like more of a conspiracy theory type thing then a actual believable undertaking.....I'll pass on this one!
I don't think these allusions to clandestine messages and chats with members will impress many of us enough to join in. Sounds an awful lot like wasting time...
People just don't want to give their money to someone that doesn't look serious
Gee, JR, what do you have in mind?

I don't see how they aren't insultive. they may have been here for a while longer then joer, so I guess that makes it ok for them to insult, tar, and feather. If you want to see the outlines for the plans, simply look through the forum. if you think its a waste of time, then you'll never know otherwise. since this post will likely be drug through the mud as well, I hope you feel all the better for it as your only ruining your own creditably in the future.

 

[garyw]

I am going to be perfectly straight forward here. most the posts pertaining to the website are negative and condescending. A lot of hard work was put into the site by several people who I have come to respect. he simply asked if you are interested, come check things out. if you want to help, please do. The website is in the works of being updated, but you have to understand this is not a funded project.

Totally understood but the copyright date gives the impression that it's not been touched in 10 years.

We aren't on salaries and neither are you yet we all work on what we believe in. It bugs the hell out of me that you can judge a site on its looks alone, but it bugs me even more to see a bunch of enthusiasts of space flight, industrialization, and colonization so against a project that is in your belief's main interests. If you have something to point out on the site, I ask you do it in a constructive manner. if you can't, then just insult it it.

You may disagree but I thought that people had been constructive. Sorry but first looks are important. You wouldn't go to a job interview in a hoodie and trainers - why not? If looks don't count why dress up? First impressions matter.

a simple credo I like is treat every one like a gentleman. not because they are, but because you are. I haven't even met any of you, yet you insult not only our community, but our personal work. I bet you wouldn't like it if I called your work second rate. and garyw, these questions I see very few of. what I do see are these comments:

If you called my work second rate I would ask you to join me for a tea to see where you thought it was second rate and what you thought I could do to improve it. Constructive critisim is one of the best avenues of feedback out there.

So, it's not been updated in at least 10 years. Not exactly encouragement that it's a serious site.
this sounds to me like more of a conspiracy theory type thing then a actual believable undertaking.....I'll pass on this one!

Again, first impressions. These thoughts are put out there freely and can be just as freely ignored.

I don't see how they aren't insultive. they may have been here for a while longer then joer, so I guess that makes it ok for them to insult, tar, and feather. If you want to see the outlines for the plans, simply look through the forum. if you think its a waste of time, then you'll never know otherwise. since this post will likely be drug through the mud as well, I hope you feel all the better for it as your only ruining your own creditably in the future.

As I said, we've had people here before with the same ideas and they have vanished and taken their websites with them. I truly wish your site all the very best and as you can see several questions have been asked about what JR has planned.

I for one do look forward to those answers. If there is a particular posting on your sites forum we should read then please post a link to it.

 

[Hielor]

Gee, JR, what do you have in mind?

So wait, JR complains that no one has asked what he had in mind, so I ask what he has in mind, and now I'm being insulting?

 

[RacerX]

Ok lets start over....What is it EXACTLY that you would like the community to help with and do? What is your ultimate goal? I am thinking maybe I misunderstood. I thought you needed funding of some sort...then I read some post about a video. What is it you need exactly? Can you please list these things out for us/me so I can get a better idea.
Edit: if you are looking for help with videos may I suggest PDF a user on this forum. His profile is here along with his youtube video link: http://www.orbiter-forum.com/member.php?u=4770

 

[joertexas]

If you considered the conduct in this thread so far disrespectful, I'm afraid you'll feel roasted alife once some critique from experts hits you project.

And seriously, the website makes for a bad first impression. Marketing isn't exactly an area you can take lightly when your project needs numbers with more than 4 digits. People just don't want to give their money to someone that doesn't look serious.

When I get the chance to talk to the experts, I have the research in hand to at least document that the proposal is feasible. Further, I do plan to have an engineering study done by a reputable firm at the earliest opportunity.

We're painfully aware of the website's shortcomings, and your analysis is right on. However, we are working to make some badly needed improvements.

JR

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So wait, JR complains that no one has asked what he had in mind, so I ask what he has in mind, and now I'm being insulting?

Response combined with next post...

JR

 

[Tommy]

I think the comments on the quality of the website are very valid. When I see the low quality of the site - then see that this person is offering for-hire web development services, the only conclusion I can draw is that the author is an amateur with an over-inflated sense of his abilities.

If this site is serious, there is NO excuse for going almost 10 years without an update. It's hard to take this site seriously when the owner clearly doesn't take it seriously enough to update it once in a while. This site is like a dirt-poor bum offering me investment advice - it just doesn't give me any confidence that my efforts will be used to any advantage. Any professional knows the importance of appearance and making a good first impression - yet Prado clearly doesn't think it matters all that much.

What's more, before I'm going to invest my time or money into a project I need to see a sound business plan/prospectus. Yet this guy wants me to invest FIRST before he will show me his business plan - so I have to spend money/time before I can figure out if the investment is worthwhile. It has all the hallmarks of a scam.

Sure, this is a non-profit organization - but that doesn't mean that Mark Prado isn't profiting personally by drawing a salary. If I do participate, what assurance do I have that Prado isn't going to take the fruits of my labor and co-opt them for a commercial enterprise?

I've gone through the forums and other web pages, and can see no evidence that anything is actually being done. It appears to be just a bunch of people talking about stuff that could be done, but no real ideas on how to actually get anything done - much less how to fund these multi-billion dollar projects.

I'm not saying these things to be insulting - but asking me to invest my time and/or money this project without first giving me the crucial information is an insult to MY intelligence.

 

[RacerX]

Joe can you please respond to my last post?

 

[joertexas]

Ok lets start over....What is it EXACTLY that you would like the community to help with and do? What is your ultimate goal? I am thinking maybe I misunderstood. I thought you needed funding of some sort...then I read some post about a video. What is it you need exactly? Can you please list these things out for us/me so I can get a better idea.
Edit: if you are looking for help with videos may I suggest PDF a user on this forum. His profile is here along with his youtube video link: http://www.orbiter-forum.com/member.php?u=4770

** What I desperately need help with at the moment is translating my SC3 scenario into a DLL that will work with Glider's SpaceX addon (and yes, he's most graciously given me permission to use his models). I used a DLL translation program on the SC3 files, but I can't get the two vessels involved to dock together and ride the booster in the correct orientation. **

There are other improvements I'd like to make to the scenario, such as better models and putting in operating solar panels and the like. I'd also like to model surface operations with the rovers - this will take some time since some of the vehicle models (the rock crawlers) would have to be created. I've done some work, but there's a lot left to go.

The mission itself involves using a Falcon 9 booster to launch a lander and a small orbiter stacked together into a TLI. The orbiter will decelerate the stack into low lunar orbit, and the lander will detach. The orbiter will climb to a 100km polar orbit, and provide communications relay and video surveillance over the site.

The lander will deliver 6 rovers and a movable solar panel array to a point about 30km from the lunar north pole on the rim of Hinshelwood Crater. The hilltop there enjoys nearly 100% sunlight exposure, but it's too rough to land on. The actual landing site is 5km or so from the hilltop - on the Earth-facing side, of course. The area's climate stays at about -60F, since the sun's angle is very low. There are also many craters where sunlight never falls, too.

Four of the rovers will be essentially cameras and lights on wheels; 5kg rock crawlers (like this http://www.rc-truckncar-tuning.com/rccrawler.html) modified to operate in vacuum. One rover, a 20kg rock crawler, will carry a transceiver and act as a communications relay. The sixth rover is a 360kg backhoe equipped with science instruments, designed to move into Hinshelwood Crater in search of water ice.

A solar panel array will be mounted on a wheeled carriage, and towed into position by the backhoe. The array will rotate as needed to maintain the optimum sun exposure angle. The lander will also have solar panels, but it's liable to be in darkness for short periods.

This is a very short synopis, and there are many challenges to consider in the mission design. I'd like to simulate ground operations on an accurate map mesh to see what jumps up and bites me. Most of the rovers' operations will be teleoperated, and we hope to find significant amounts of water ice for following missions to retrieve.

JR