Project Apollo Collaborative (Vessel Builder + Multistage)

[DaveS]

I jump in just to remark that it s a bit surprising that the guidance brings down performance of the saturn rocket. The design of the guidance system strongly fits that kind of rocket and that kind of ascent profile. Basically i started to code it from the apollo paper relevant to it... so i would not be surprised if there are issues on different ascent profiles (like a geo targeting transfer orbit), but a 180x180 km orbit is the best situation for it to handle.

The Saturn 1B was at best a medium-mass to LEO launch vehicle. I wondering if the problem isn't in the loaded propellant mass of the CSM? The Saturn 1B was never intended to lift a fully loaded Block II CSM into LEO. So the propellant level of the SPS is the first place I'd look.

 

[Kyle]

The Saturn 1B was at best a medium-mass to LEO launch vehicle. I wondering if the problem isn't in the loaded propellant mass of the CSM? The Saturn 1B was never intended to lift a fully loaded Block II CSM into LEO. So the propellant level of the SPS is the first place I'd look.

True, as a matter of fact the Apollo 7 SM had a launch mass of 19,730lbs, significantly less than the Apollo 8 SM mass of 51,258 lbs. I must have misunderstood 4throck as I thought they were talking about the Saturn V, not the Saturn IB.

I'm going to work on the LEM some more, see where I can do some fine tweaking with EVA stuff.

 

[4throck]

Fred, I'm not criticising your work!

As the last posts indicate, it should work if we do it by the ACTUAL numbers.
I haven't done that , only copied some values from Wikipedia...
Usually that results in under performance for the reasons stated above.
I was just trying to say that this was expected!

Sorry if I came across as blaming MS2015...

There will be two generic launch situations.
» Saturn Ib for Apollo 7 and Skylab type of missions (CSM only).
» Saturn V for Moon missions (LEM+CSM)

 

[Kyle]

Astros now appear in the LEM when the gear is deployed. Replace the LM-5.cfg with this.

ClassName = VesselBuilder1
Module = VesselBuilder1
 
;CONFIGURATION FILE FOR Eagle
 
NOEDITOR = FALSE
 
CONFIGURATIONS = 2
 
;<-------------------------GENERAL SETTINGS - Configuration: 0------------------------->
 
EMPTY_MASS = 6855
VSIZE = 5
PMI = 20 20 10
CSECTIONS = 20 20 20
GRAVITYGDAMP = 0
ROTDRAG = 0.01 0.01 0.01
MET_ENABLED = TRUE
MET_IN_HUD = TRUE
 
;<-------------------------MESHES DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
MESH_0_NAME = AAPO\LM_VC
MESH_0_POS = 0 2.77556e-017 0
MESH_0_DIR = 0 0 1
MESH_0_ROT = 0 1 0
MESH_0_VIS = 5
 
MESH_1_NAME = AAPO\LM_AscentStage
MESH_1_POS = 0 0 0
MESH_1_DIR = 0 0 1
MESH_1_ROT = 0 1 0
MESH_1_VIS = 1
 
MESH_2_NAME = ProjectApollo\LM_DescentStageGearRet
MESH_2_POS = 0 -2.2 0
MESH_2_DIR = 0 0 1
MESH_2_ROT = 0 1 0
MESH_2_VIS = 1
 
 
;<-------------------------DOCKS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
DOCK_0_ID = 0
DOCK_0_NAME = Dock_0
DOCK_0_POS = 0 1.5 0
DOCK_0_DIR = 1.31028e-031 1 1.22465e-016
DOCK_0_ROT = -0.87462 -5.93721e-017 0.48481
DOCK_0_JETT = FALSE
DOCK_0_SOFTDOCK = FALSE
 
 
;<-------------------------ATTACHMENTS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
 
;<-------------------------ANIMATIONS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
;<-------------------------PROPELLANT DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
PRP_0_ID = 0
PRP_0_MAXMASS = 287
PRP_0_EFFICIENCY = 1
PRP_0_PRIMARY = FALSE
PRP_0_NAME = RCS
 
PRP_1_ID = 1
PRP_1_MAXMASS = 8248
PRP_1_EFFICIENCY = 1
PRP_1_PRIMARY = TRUE
PRP_1_NAME = Main1
 
 
;<-------------------------THRUSTERS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
THR_0_ID = 0
THR_0_NAME = Pitch_up_1
THR_0_POS = -1.68 -0.3 1.68
THR_0_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_0_MAX0 = 440
THR_0_ISP0 = 2840
THR_0_ISPREF = 0
THR_0_PREF = 101400
THR_0_TANK = 0
THR_0_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_0_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_0_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_0_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_0_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_0_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_0_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_1_ID = 1
THR_1_NAME = Pitch_up_2
THR_1_POS = -1.68 0.32 -1.679
THR_1_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_1_MAX0 = 440
THR_1_ISP0 = 2840
THR_1_ISPREF = 0
THR_1_PREF = 101400
THR_1_TANK = 0
THR_1_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_1_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_1_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_1_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_1_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_1_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_1_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_2_ID = 2
THR_2_NAME = Pitch_dwn_1
THR_2_POS = -1.68 0.32 1.68
THR_2_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_2_MAX0 = 440
THR_2_ISP0 = 2840
THR_2_ISPREF = 0
THR_2_PREF = 101400
THR_2_TANK = 0
THR_2_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_2_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_2_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_2_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_2_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_2_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_2_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_3_ID = 3
THR_3_NAME = Pitch_dwn_2
THR_3_POS = -1.68 -0.32 -1.679
THR_3_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_3_MAX0 = 440
THR_3_ISP0 = 2840
THR_3_ISPREF = 0
THR_3_PREF = 101400
THR_3_TANK = 0
THR_3_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_3_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_3_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_3_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_3_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_3_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_3_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_4_ID = 4
THR_4_NAME = Yaw_left_1
THR_4_POS = 1.92 0 1.57
THR_4_DIR = -1 0 0
THR_4_MAX0 = 440
THR_4_ISP0 = 2840
THR_4_ISPREF = 0
THR_4_PREF = 101400
THR_4_TANK = 0
THR_4_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_4_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_4_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_4_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_4_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_4_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_4_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_5_ID = 5
THR_5_NAME = Yaw_left_2
THR_5_POS = -1.92 0 -1.57
THR_5_DIR = 1 0 0
THR_5_MAX0 = 440
THR_5_ISP0 = 2840
THR_5_ISPREF = 0
THR_5_PREF = 101400
THR_5_TANK = 0
THR_5_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_5_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_5_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_5_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_5_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_5_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_5_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_6_ID = 6
THR_6_NAME = Yaw_right_1
THR_6_POS = -1.92 0 1.56
THR_6_DIR = 1 0 0
THR_6_MAX0 = 440
THR_6_ISP0 = 2840
THR_6_ISPREF = 0
THR_6_PREF = 101400
THR_6_TANK = 0
THR_6_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_6_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_6_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_6_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_6_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_6_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_6_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_7_ID = 7
THR_7_NAME = Yaw_right_2
THR_7_POS = 1.92 0 -1.57
THR_7_DIR = -1 0 0
THR_7_MAX0 = 440
THR_7_ISP0 = 2840
THR_7_ISPREF = 0
THR_7_PREF = 101400
THR_7_TANK = 0
THR_7_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_7_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_7_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_7_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_7_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_7_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_7_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_8_ID = 8
THR_8_NAME = Bank_left_2
THR_8_POS = 1.68 -0.3 1.68
THR_8_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_8_MAX0 = 440
THR_8_ISP0 = 2840
THR_8_ISPREF = 0
THR_8_PREF = 101400
THR_8_TANK = 0
THR_8_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_8_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_8_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_8_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_8_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_8_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_8_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_9_ID = 9
THR_9_NAME = Bank_left_1
THR_9_POS = -1.68 0.32 1.68
THR_9_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_9_MAX0 = 440
THR_9_ISP0 = 2840
THR_9_ISPREF = 0
THR_9_PREF = 101400
THR_9_TANK = 0
THR_9_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_9_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_9_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_9_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_9_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_9_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_9_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_10_ID = 10
THR_10_NAME = Bank_right_1
THR_10_POS = 1.68 0.3 1.68
THR_10_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_10_MAX0 = 440
THR_10_ISP0 = 2840
THR_10_ISPREF = 0
THR_10_PREF = 101400
THR_10_TANK = 0
THR_10_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_10_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_10_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_10_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_10_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_10_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_10_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_11_ID = 11
THR_11_NAME = Bank_right_2
THR_11_POS = -1.68 -0.3 1.68
THR_11_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_11_MAX0 = 440
THR_11_ISP0 = 2840
THR_11_ISPREF = 0
THR_11_PREF = 101400
THR_11_TANK = 0
THR_11_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_11_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_11_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_11_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_11_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_11_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_11_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_12_ID = 12
THR_12_NAME = Translate_up_1
THR_12_POS = -1.69 -0.3 -1.69
THR_12_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_12_MAX0 = 440
THR_12_ISP0 = 2840
THR_12_ISPREF = 0
THR_12_PREF = 101400
THR_12_TANK = 0
THR_12_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_12_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_12_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_12_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_12_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_12_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_12_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_13_ID = 13
THR_13_NAME = Translate_dwn_1
THR_13_POS = 1.69 0.3 1.69
THR_13_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_13_MAX0 = 440
THR_13_ISP0 = 2840
THR_13_ISPREF = 0
THR_13_PREF = 101400
THR_13_TANK = 0
THR_13_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_13_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_13_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_13_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_13_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_13_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_13_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_14_ID = 14
THR_14_NAME = Translate_left_1
THR_14_POS = 1.92 0 1.57
THR_14_DIR = -1 0 0
THR_14_MAX0 = 440
THR_14_ISP0 = 2840
THR_14_ISPREF = 0
THR_14_PREF = 101400
THR_14_TANK = 0
THR_14_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_14_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_14_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_14_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_14_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_14_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_14_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_15_ID = 15
THR_15_NAME = Translate_right_1
THR_15_POS = -1.92 0 -1.57
THR_15_DIR = 1 0 0
THR_15_MAX0 = 440
THR_15_ISP0 = 2840
THR_15_ISPREF = 0
THR_15_PREF = 101400
THR_15_TANK = 0
THR_15_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_15_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_15_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_15_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_15_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_15_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_15_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_16_ID = 16
THR_16_NAME = Translate_forward
THR_16_POS = -1.57 0 -1.92
THR_16_DIR = 0 0 1
THR_16_MAX0 = 440
THR_16_ISP0 = 2840
THR_16_ISPREF = 0
THR_16_PREF = 101400
THR_16_TANK = 0
THR_16_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_16_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_16_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_16_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_16_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_16_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_16_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_17_ID = 17
THR_17_NAME = Translate_backward
THR_17_POS = -1.57 0 1.92
THR_17_DIR = 0 0 -1
THR_17_MAX0 = 440
THR_17_ISP0 = 2840
THR_17_ISPREF = 0
THR_17_PREF = 101400
THR_17_TANK = 0
THR_17_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_17_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_17_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_17_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_17_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_17_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_17_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_18_ID = 18
THR_18_NAME = Pitch_up_3
THR_18_POS = 1.68 -0.3 1.68
THR_18_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_18_MAX0 = 440
THR_18_ISP0 = 2840
THR_18_ISPREF = 0
THR_18_PREF = 101400
THR_18_TANK = 0
THR_18_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_18_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_18_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_18_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_18_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_18_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_18_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_19_ID = 19
THR_19_NAME = pitch_up_4
THR_19_POS = 1.68 0.32 -1.679
THR_19_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_19_MAX0 = 440
THR_19_ISP0 = 2840
THR_19_ISPREF = 0
THR_19_PREF = 101400
THR_19_TANK = 0
THR_19_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_19_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_19_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_19_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_19_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_19_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_19_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_20_ID = 20
THR_20_NAME = Pitch_dwn_3
THR_20_POS = 1.68 0.32 1.68
THR_20_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_20_MAX0 = 440
THR_20_ISP0 = 2840
THR_20_ISPREF = 0
THR_20_PREF = 101400
THR_20_TANK = 0
THR_20_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_20_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_20_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_20_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_20_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_20_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_20_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_21_ID = 21
THR_21_NAME = Bank_left_3
THR_21_POS = 1.68 -0.32 -1.679
THR_21_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_21_MAX0 = 440
THR_21_ISP0 = 2840
THR_21_ISPREF = 0
THR_21_PREF = 101400
THR_21_TANK = 0
THR_21_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_21_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_21_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_21_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_21_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_21_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_21_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_22_ID = 22
THR_22_NAME = bank_left_4
THR_22_POS = -1.68 0.32 -1.679
THR_22_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_22_MAX0 = 440
THR_22_ISP0 = 2840
THR_22_ISPREF = 0
THR_22_PREF = 101400
THR_22_TANK = 0
THR_22_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_22_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_22_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_22_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_22_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_22_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_22_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_23_ID = 23
THR_23_NAME = bank_right_3
THR_23_POS = 1.69 0.3 -1.69
THR_23_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_23_MAX0 = 440
THR_23_ISP0 = 2840
THR_23_ISPREF = 0
THR_23_PREF = 101400
THR_23_TANK = 0
THR_23_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_23_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_23_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_23_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_23_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_23_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_23_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_24_ID = 24
THR_24_NAME = bank_right_4
THR_24_POS = -1.68 -0.3 -1.69
THR_24_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_24_MAX0 = 440
THR_24_ISP0 = 2840
THR_24_ISPREF = 0
THR_24_PREF = 101400
THR_24_TANK = 0
THR_24_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_24_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_24_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_24_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_24_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_24_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_24_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_25_ID = 25
THR_25_NAME = Bank_right_1
THR_25_POS = 10 0 0
THR_25_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_25_MAX0 = 123.52
THR_25_ISP0 = 2840
THR_25_ISPREF = 0
THR_25_PREF = 101400
THR_25_TANK = 0
THR_25_HASEXHAUST = FALSE
THR_25_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_26_ID = 26
THR_26_NAME = Bank_right_2
THR_26_POS = -10 0 0
THR_26_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_26_MAX0 = 123.52
THR_26_ISP0 = 2840
THR_26_ISPREF = 0
THR_26_PREF = 101400
THR_26_TANK = 0
THR_26_HASEXHAUST = FALSE
THR_26_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_27_ID = 27
THR_27_NAME = translate_forward_2
THR_27_POS = 1.57 0 -1.92
THR_27_DIR = 0 0 1
THR_27_MAX0 = 440
THR_27_ISP0 = 2840
THR_27_ISPREF = 0
THR_27_PREF = 101400
THR_27_TANK = 0
THR_27_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_27_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_27_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_27_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_27_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_27_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_27_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_28_ID = 28
THR_28_NAME = translate_backward_2
THR_28_POS = 1.57 0 1.92
THR_28_DIR = 0 0 -1
THR_28_MAX0 = 440
THR_28_ISP0 = 2840
THR_28_ISPREF = 0
THR_28_PREF = 101400
THR_28_TANK = 0
THR_28_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_28_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_28_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_28_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_28_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_28_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_28_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_29_ID = 29
THR_29_NAME = translate_up_2
THR_29_POS = 1.69 -0.3 -1.69
THR_29_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_29_MAX0 = 440
THR_29_ISP0 = 2840
THR_29_ISPREF = 0
THR_29_PREF = 101400
THR_29_TANK = 0
THR_29_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_29_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_29_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_29_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_29_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_29_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_29_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_30_ID = 30
THR_30_NAME = translate_up_3
THR_30_POS = -1.69 -0.3 1.69
THR_30_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_30_MAX0 = 440
THR_30_ISP0 = 2840
THR_30_ISPREF = 0
THR_30_PREF = 101400
THR_30_TANK = 0
THR_30_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_30_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_30_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_30_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_30_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_30_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_30_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_31_ID = 31
THR_31_NAME = translate_up_4
THR_31_POS = 1.69 -0.3 1.69
THR_31_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_31_MAX0 = 440
THR_31_ISP0 = 2840
THR_31_ISPREF = 0
THR_31_PREF = 101400
THR_31_TANK = 0
THR_31_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_31_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_31_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_31_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_31_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_31_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_31_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_32_ID = 32
THR_32_NAME = translate_dwn_2
THR_32_POS = 1.69 0.3 -1.69
THR_32_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_32_MAX0 = 440
THR_32_ISP0 = 2840
THR_32_ISPREF = 0
THR_32_PREF = 101400
THR_32_TANK = 0
THR_32_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_32_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_32_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_32_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_32_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_32_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_32_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_33_ID = 33
THR_33_NAME = translate_dwn_3
THR_33_POS = -1.69 0.3 1.69
THR_33_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_33_MAX0 = 440
THR_33_ISP0 = 2840
THR_33_ISPREF = 0
THR_33_PREF = 101400
THR_33_TANK = 0
THR_33_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_33_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_33_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_33_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_33_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_33_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_33_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_34_ID = 34
THR_34_NAME = translate_dwn_4
THR_34_POS = -1.69 0.3 -1.69
THR_34_DIR = 0 -1 0
THR_34_MAX0 = 440
THR_34_ISP0 = 2840
THR_34_ISPREF = 0
THR_34_PREF = 101400
THR_34_TANK = 0
THR_34_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_34_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_34_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_34_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_34_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_34_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_34_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_35_ID = 35
THR_35_NAME = translate_left_2
THR_35_POS = 1.92 0 -1.57
THR_35_DIR = -1 0 0
THR_35_MAX0 = 440
THR_35_ISP0 = 2840
THR_35_ISPREF = 0
THR_35_PREF = 101400
THR_35_TANK = 0
THR_35_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_35_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_35_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_35_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_35_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_35_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_35_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_36_ID = 36
THR_36_NAME = translate_right_2
THR_36_POS = -1.92 0 1.57
THR_36_DIR = 1 0 0
THR_36_MAX0 = 440
THR_36_ISP0 = 2840
THR_36_ISPREF = 0
THR_36_PREF = 101400
THR_36_TANK = 0
THR_36_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_36_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_36_EX_0_LSIZE = 1
THR_36_EX_0_WSIZE = 0.1
THR_36_EX_0_EXTEX = 0
THR_36_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_36_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_37_ID = 37
THR_37_NAME = DESCENT
THR_37_POS = 0 -3.9 0
THR_37_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_37_MAX0 = 45040
THR_37_ISP0 = 3050
THR_37_ISPREF = 0
THR_37_PREF = 101400
THR_37_TANK = 1
THR_37_HASEXHAUST = TRUE
THR_37_EX_0_ID = 0
THR_37_EX_0_LSIZE = 7.5
THR_37_EX_0_WSIZE = 1.8
THR_37_EX_0_EXTEX = 1
THR_37_EX_0_CUSTOMPOSDIR = FALSE
THR_37_HASPARTICLES = FALSE
 
THR_38_ID = 38
THR_38_NAME = smoke
THR_38_POS = 0 -25 0
THR_38_DIR = 0 1 0
THR_38_MAX0 = 0.01
THR_38_ISP0 = 1000
THR_38_ISPREF = 0
THR_38_PREF = 101400
THR_38_TANK = 1
THR_38_HASEXHAUST = FALSE
THR_38_HASPARTICLES = TRUE
THR_38_PART_0_ID = 0
THR_38_PART_0_PSSIDX = 2
THR_38_PART_0_CUSTOMPOS = FALSE
 
;<-------------------------THRUSTER GROUPS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
THGROUP_HOVER = TRUE
THGROUP_HOVER_THRUSTERS = 37
THGROUP_ATT_PITCHUP = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_PITCHUP_THRUSTERS = 0, 1, 18, 19
THGROUP_ATT_PITCHDOWN = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_PITCHDOWN_THRUSTERS = 2, 3, 20, 21
THGROUP_ATT_YAWLEFT = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_YAWLEFT_THRUSTERS = 4, 5
THGROUP_ATT_YAWRIGHT = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_YAWRIGHT_THRUSTERS = 6, 7
THGROUP_ATT_BANKLEFT = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_BANKLEFT_THRUSTERS = 8, 9, 21, 22
THGROUP_ATT_BANKRIGHT = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_BANKRIGHT_THRUSTERS = 10, 11, 23, 24
THGROUP_ATT_RIGHT = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_RIGHT_THRUSTERS = 15, 36
THGROUP_ATT_LEFT = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_LEFT_THRUSTERS = 14, 35
THGROUP_ATT_UP = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_UP_THRUSTERS = 12, 29, 30, 31
THGROUP_ATT_DOWN = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_DOWN_THRUSTERS = 13, 32, 33, 34
THGROUP_ATT_FORWARD = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_FORWARD_THRUSTERS = 16, 27
THGROUP_ATT_BACK = TRUE
THGROUP_ATT_BACK_THRUSTERS = 17, 28
 
;<-------------------------TOUCHDOWNPOINTS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
TDP_1_0_POS = 0 -4.75 4.4
TDP_1_0_STIFFNESS = 46650.5
TDP_1_0_DAMPING = 32835.2
TDP_1_0_MU = 0.1
TDP_1_0_MULNG = 0.2
 
TDP_1_1_POS = -3.4641 -4.75 -2
TDP_1_1_STIFFNESS = 46650.5
TDP_1_1_DAMPING = 32835.2
TDP_1_1_MU = 3
TDP_1_1_MULNG = 0.2
 
TDP_1_2_POS = 3.4641 -4.75 -2
TDP_1_2_STIFFNESS = 46650.5
TDP_1_2_DAMPING = 32835.2
TDP_1_2_MU = 3
TDP_1_2_MULNG = 0.2
 
TDP_1_3_POS = 0 4 0
TDP_1_3_STIFFNESS = 46650.5
TDP_1_3_DAMPING = 32835.2
TDP_1_3_MU = 3
TDP_1_3_MULNG = 0.2
 
 
;<-------------------------AIRFOILS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
 
;<-------------------------CONTROL SURFACES DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
 
;<-------------------------CAMERA DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
 
;<-------------------------VIRTUAL COCKPIT DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
VC_POS_0_ID = 0
VC_POS_0_NAME = CDR
VC_POS_0_OFS = -0.5 0.65 1.25
VC_POS_0_DIR = 0 0 1
 
VC_POS_1_ID = 1
VC_POS_1_NAME = DOCK
VC_POS_1_OFS = -0.59 0.74 1.125
VC_POS_1_DIR = 0 1 0
 
VC_MFD_0_ID = 0
VC_MFD_0_MESH = 0
VC_MFD_0_GROUP = 23
VC_MFD_0_WPWR = TRUE
VC_MFD_0_PWR0 = 0 0 0
VC_MFD_0_PWR2 = 0 0 0
VC_MFD_0_WCOL = TRUE
VC_MFD_0_COLTL = 0 0 0
VC_MFD_0_COLBL = 0 0 0
VC_MFD_0_COLTR = 0 0 0
VC_MFD_0_COLBR = 0 0 0
 
 
;<-------------------------LIGHTS: BEACONS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
 
;<-------------------------LIGHTS: LIGHT EMITTERS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
 
;<-------------------------VARIABLE DRAG ITEMS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
 
;<-------------------------EVENTS DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
EVENT_0_ID = 0
EVENT_0_NAME = DSC_JET
EVENT_0_TYPE = 1
EVENT_0_TRIGGERTYPE = 2
EVENT_0_REPEAT = 0
EVENT_0_KEY = 36
EVENT_0_KEYMOD = 0
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDCLASS = VesselBuilder1\LEM_ASCENT
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDNAME = LEM_ASCENT
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDOFS = 0 2.3 0
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDVEL = 0 15 0
EVENT_0_SPAWNEDROTVEL = 0 0 0
EVENT_0_SPAWNDELMESH = 4
 
EVENT_1_ID = 1
EVENT_1_NAME = LEM_JET_SOUND
EVENT_1_TYPE = 11
EVENT_1_TRIGGERTYPE = 8
EVENT_1_REPEAT = 0
EVENT_1_OTHEREVENT = 0
EVENT_1_SNDFILE = C:\Orbiter\Sound\SpiderLEM\stage_sep.wav
 
EVENT_2_ID = 2
EVENT_2_NAME = GEAR_DEPLY
EVENT_2_TYPE = 7
EVENT_2_TRIGGERTYPE = 2
EVENT_2_REPEAT = 1
EVENT_2_KEY = 34
EVENT_2_KEYMOD = 0
EVENT_2_RECONFIG = 1
 
EVENT_3_ID = 3
EVENT_3_NAME = KILL_DSC
EVENT_3_TYPE = 4
EVENT_3_TRIGGERTYPE = 2
EVENT_3_REPEAT = 0
EVENT_3_KEY = 37
EVENT_3_KEYMOD = 0
EVENT_3_THR = 37
EVENT_3_THRLVL = 0
 
 
;<-------------------------EXHAUST TEXTURES DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
EXTEX_0_ID = 0
EXTEX_0_TEXNAME = exhaust_atrcs
 
EXTEX_1_ID = 1
EXTEX_1_TEXNAME = ProjectApollo\exhaust_atrcs
 
EXTEX_2_ID = 2
EXTEX_2_TEXNAME = amso\Particle_dust
 
 
;<-------------------------PARTICLES DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
PARTICLE_2_ID = 2
PARTICLE_2_NAME = LEM_dust
PARTICLE_2_SIZE = 2
PARTICLE_2_RATE = 200
PARTICLE_2_V0 = 25
PARTICLE_2_SPREAD = 0.3
PARTICLE_2_LIFETIME = 8
PARTICLE_2_GROWTHRATE = 2
PARTICLE_2_ATMSLOWDOWN = 3
PARTICLE_2_LTYPE = 1
PARTICLE_2_LEVELMAP = 3
PARTICLE_2_LMIN = 0
PARTICLE_2_LMAX = 0.5
PARTICLE_2_ATMSMAP = 2
PARTICLE_2_AMIN = 0
PARTICLE_2_AMAX = 0.1
PARTICLE_2_TEX = 2
 
CONFIGURATION_1_SECTIONS = 1
;<-------------------------MESHES DEFINITIONS------------------------->
 
1_MESH_0_NAME = AAPO\LM_VC
1_MESH_0_POS = 0 2.77556e-017 0
1_MESH_0_DIR = 0 0 1
1_MESH_0_ROT = 0 1 0
1_MESH_0_VIS = 4
 
1_MESH_1_NAME = AAPO\LM_AscentStage
1_MESH_1_POS = 0 0 0
1_MESH_1_DIR = 0 0 1
1_MESH_1_ROT = 0 1 0
1_MESH_1_VIS = 1
 
1_MESH_2_NAME = ProjectApollo\LM_DescentStage
1_MESH_2_POS = 0 -2.2 0
1_MESH_2_DIR = 0 0 1
1_MESH_2_ROT = 0 1 0
1_MESH_2_VIS = 1
 
1_MESH_3_NAME = ProjectApollo\sat5AstroS
1_MESH_3_POS = -0.5 2.77556e-017 1
1_MESH_3_DIR = 0 0 1
1_MESH_3_ROT = 0 1 0
1_MESH_3_VIS = 4
 
1_MESH_4_NAME = ProjectApollo\sat5AstroS
1_MESH_4_POS = 0.5 0 1
1_MESH_4_DIR = 0 0 1
1_MESH_4_ROT = 0 1 0
1_MESH_4_VIS = 4

Next visual tweak: dust (WIP).

 

[fred18]

Fred, I'm not criticising your work!
Sorry if I came across as blaming MS2015...

I know, don't worry at all! I was just saying that among all the situation, that is the one that fits best the AP, so suggesting to give a second look at the numbers just to be sure. that's it, no stress :lol:

 

[barrygolden]

do I need to down load something else. I see flying over the moon but no spacecraft. The screen shot of the newer suits look like a good start and I do have some pics of the suits for Apollo 18,19 and 20. you might think about a white CM for the sky lab flights

 

[Kyle]

You need NASSP and AAPO to be able to view the meshes.

 

[barrygolden]

Still no joy after loading those in. Can't see the vessels

 

[gattispilot]

Post your log. Sounds like something not loading

 

[kuddel]

Last time I took a look at the ZIP I identified the following requirements:
- NASSP
- AAPO
-SpiderLEM
Additionally some paths were "absolute paths"[1]...those will most probably not work on every machine.

[1] although IIRC those were sound-files,...

 

[4throck]

Tried a by the numbers Saturn Ib but its even worse.
I must be doing something wrong... can you guys spot the problem?
I'm sure it's a unit conversion problem somewhere, from pounds to Kg and / or Newtons....

This is what I have for the Saturn Ib

[MISC]
cog=9.000
focus=1
GNC_Debug=0
Telemetry=0
Thrust_real_pos=1
Vertical_Angle=0.000

[TEXTURE_LIST]
TEX_1=Exhaust2
TEX_2=ProjectApollo\Exhaust_j2
TEX_3=Contrail3
TEX_4=Contrail

[PARTICLESTREAM_1]
NAME=Satcontrail
SRCSIZE=0.82
SRCRATE=2000
V0=160
SRCSPREAD=0.02
LIFETIME=0.4
GROWTHRATE=10
ATMSLOWDOWN=0.4
LTYPE=EMISSIVE
LEVELMAP=LVL_SQRT
LMIN=0
LMAX=1
ATMSMAP=ATM_PLOG
AMIN=1e-5
AMAX=1
TEX=contrail3
GROWFACTOR_RATE=6
GROWFACTOR_SIZE=2

[PARTICLESTREAM_2]
Name=vent
amin = 1e-006
amax = 0.1
atmslowdown = 3
growthrate = 1.2
lifetime = 4.5
lmax = 0.5
lmin = 0
srcrate = 15
srcsize = 0.4
v0 = 1
ltype = EMISSIVE
atmsmap = ATM_PLOG
levelmap = LVL_PSQRT
tex = contrail

[PARTICLESTREAM_3]
NAME=mach
SRCSIZE=7
SRCRATE=120
V0=12
SRCSPREAD=0
LIFETIME=0.25
GROWTHRATE=6
ATMSLOWDOWN=0
LTYPE=EMISSIVE
LEVELMAP=LVL_PSQRT
LMIN=0
LMAX=4
ATMSMAP=ATM_PLOG
AMIN=0.7e-7
AMAX=1
TEX= contrail

[FX_VENT]
pstream=vent
off_1=(-3,-0.9,15)
dir_1=(-1,0,0)
time_fin_1=-8
off_2=(3,0.9,15)
dir_2=(1,0,0)
time_fin_2=-8
off_3=(-0.9,3,15)
dir_3=(0,1,0)
time_fin_3=-8
off_4=(0.9,-3,15)
dir_4=(0,-1,0)
time_fin_4=-8
off_5=(2.1,2.45,23)
dir_5=(1,0,0)
time_fin_5=-8

[FX_MACH]
pstream=mach
mach_min=0.9
mach_max=1.1
off_1=(0,0,45)
dir=(0,0,-1)

[STAGE_1]
Height=24.48
Diameter=6.52
EmptyMass=38878
FuelMass=411953
Thrust=7117155
BurnTime=147
off=(0,0,0)
MeshName=ProjectApollo\nsat1stg1
ENG_TEX=Exhaust2
ENG_1=(0,1,-10.3)
ENG_2=(1,0,-10.3)
ENG_3=(0,-1,-10.3)
ENG_4=(-1,0,-10.3)
ENG_5=(1.8,1.8,-10.3)
ENG_6=(-1.8,1.8,-10.3)
ENG_7=(1.8,-1.8,-10.3)
ENG_8=(-1.8,-1.8,-10.3)
ENG_DIAMETER=0.82
ENG_PSTREAM1=Satcontrail
speed=(0,0,-10)
rot_speed=(0.02,0.01,0)
PITCHTHRUST=1500000
YAWTHRUST=1500000
ROLLTHRUST=70000
Module=Stage

[SEPARATION_12]
MeshName=ProjectApollo\nsat1intstg
Off=(0,0,16.25)
speed=(0,0,-10)
Height=5.70
Diameter=6.52
EmptyMass=2996
Module=Stage

[STAGE_2]
Height=17.8
Diameter=6.61
EmptyMass=12495
FuelMass=105795
Thrust=924349 
BurnTime=470
Ignite_Delay=3
off=(0,0,27.95)
MeshName=ProjectApollo\nSat1stg2
ENG_TEX=ProjectApollo\Exhaust_j2
ENG_1=(0,0,-11)
ENG_DIAMETER=2.01
speed=(0,0,0)
rot_speed=(0,0,0)
PITCHTHRUST=15000
YAWTHRUST=15000
ROLLTHRUST=700
Ullage_thrust=100974.631
Ullage_Anticipation=1.5
Ullage_overlap=1.2
Ullage_N=3
Ullage_angle=65
Ullage_diameter=0.3175
Ullage_length=10
Ullage_dir=(0.5,0,-1)
Ullage_pos=(3.8,0,-5.65)
Module=Stage

[PAYLOAD_1]
MeshName=AAPO/CM
Off=(0.000,0.000,49.000)
Height=29.870
Diameter=6.610
Module=VesselBuilder1\ApolloCollab\CSM-101
Name=Apollo_7
Render=1
Live=1
Rotation=(0.000,0.000,0.000)
Mass=14739
Speed=(0.000,0.000,0.000)
Rot_speed=(0.000,0.000,0.000)

[LES]
Meshname=AAPO/AbortTower
Off=(0,0,53.55)
Height=11.94
Diameter=3.96
Emptymass=4025
Speed=(0,-5,30)
Rot_speed=(0,0,0)
Module=Stage

[FAIRING]
Meshname=apollocollab\nsat1stg2
Off=(0.000,-2.500,38.100)
N=4
Angle=180.000
Diameter=10
Height=31.35
EmptyMass=1789
Speed=(0.000,-3.000,0.000)
Rot_Speed=(0.000,0.000,0.000)
Module=Stage

 

[Kyle]

Last time I took a look at the ZIP I identified the following requirements:
- NASSP
- AAPO
-SpiderLEM
Additionally some paths were "absolute paths"[1]...those will most probably not work on every machine.

[1] although IIRC those were sound-files,...

I need to iron those out. Like I said, this was initially just for my own personal usage so I hadn't put much thought into organizing it for other users.

4throck, I'll compare your figures with my Saturn IB and get back to you.

 

[4throck]

Last time I took a look at the ZIP I identified the following requirements:
- NASSP
- AAPO
-SpiderLEM
Additionally some paths were "absolute paths"[1]...those will most probably not work on every machine.

[1] although IIRC those were sound-files,...

It should be NASSP, AAPO (only meshes and textures needed), Multistage2015, VesselBuilder and Spacecraft4 (just to be on the safe side).

---------- Post added at 08:43 ---------- Previous post was at 08:42 ----------

4throck, I'll compare your figures with my Saturn IB and get back to you.

Thanks! Sometimes we do small mistakes but with no input we keep repeating them... :lol:

 

[kuddel]

It should be NASSP, AAPO (only meshes and textures needed), Multistage2015, VesselBuilder and Spacecraft4 (just to be on the safe side).

Sure "Spider LEM" isn't needed anymore?
A quick RegExp search for "MESH_\d_NAME\s*=\s*SpiderLEM\" revealed:

• LM-14.cfg
• LM-13.cfg
• LM-10.cfg
• LM-6.cfg
• LM-5.cfg
• LM-4.cfg
• LM-3.cfg
• LM-1.cfg
• LEM.cfg

I would recommend that you keep a list of dependencies at the first post.
That way everyone can find it (at one place)
and it can be easily updated once you've added another dependency (or removed one).

---Edit:---
Ah' I see you've added "\doc\Apollo Collaborative.txt" containing that information :thumbup:

 

[4throck]

SpiderLem and AAPO meshes are the same, except for the VC, I think.
Ascent and Descent meshes have the same filesize.

But let's keep it simple and for now yes, SpiderLem is needed (mesh and textures only)

(I'll update the zip and first post when the Saturn Ib is flying well)

 

[kuddel]

SpiderLem and AAPO meshes are the same, except for the VC, I think.

Might be, but still the paths point(ed) to "SpiderLem\EVA" for example.

 

[gattispilot]

Well you need Vessel builder also. But it hasn't been release yet, right

 

[kuddel]

Well you need Vessel builder also

...which is already mentioned as "Required:" in "\doc\Apollo Collaborative.txt"

 

[4throck]

VesselBuilder can, in principle, be included with the addon. I discussed this with Fred a while back...
But better let his speak about that. No rush, we are still far from a release.

For now just get it from the discussion thread

 

[fred18]

VesselBuilder can, in principle, be included with the addon. I discussed this with Fred a while back...
But better let his speak about that. No rush, we are still far from a release.

For now just get it from the discussion thread

since there isn't an official release of VB yet of course there is no problem in including it. :thumbup:

When the F1 season will be over and before the new one starts I have the completion and release of VB in schedule. At that time it won't be mandatory but strongly suggested to post the link to the official release of VB in order to keep the addon to the latest update.