Apollo 12 Checklists

[Max-Q]

Is there any way to get the checklist flies for Apollo 12? The stock scenarios use generic checklists, but I was looking for something a little more accurate.
If not, how easy is it to fly a lunar mission using generic checklists?

 

[n72.75]

With no MCC support or checklists, its definitely harder, but doable. Its definitely the sort of thing where you will need a reasonable familiarity with the mission timeline, as well as a copy of the flightplan. Mission audio transcripts are very useful too.

Our RTCC is a very powerful tool. There is an excellent pdf manual for it in the doc/ProjectApollo/programmer notes folder. Even still, you may find you need a bit of a walkthrough, so don't hesitate to hit us up on IRC or discord.

Save often, and don't get discouraged if you end up repeating some procedures if it's your first time.

Good luck.

 

[rcflyinghokie]

Is there any way to get the checklist flies for Apollo 12? The stock scenarios use generic checklists, but I was looking for something a little more accurate.
If not, how easy is it to fly a lunar mission using generic checklists?

Best way is to use the actual mission flight plan and procedure checklists. You can find a good chunk here https://history.nasa.gov/afj/ap12fj/a12-documents.html

As n7275 stated, you will have to use the RTCC MFD to compute your burns and we can gladly help on IRC or discord

 

[Miriam]

The only problem is that we don't have any CMC software for 12. However, that shouldn't be a big problem. From what I could find, the biggest difference between Colossus 2A and 2C seems to be the newly added Verb 79, which is nothing but a more comfortable way of doing the barbecue roll and maintaining orbital rate with the DAP. Mike Collins had to change the respective EMEMs by hand, Dick Gordon had the handy Verb 79 which only required to input desired rate, deadband and axis and hit PRO. You'll have to do it the Collins way, I'm afraid.

 

[rcflyinghokie]

The only problem is that we don't have any CMC software for 12. However, that shouldn't be a big problem. From what I could find, the biggest difference between Colossus 2A and 2C seems to be the newly added Verb 79, which is nothing but a more comfortable way of doing the barbecue roll and maintaining orbital rate with the DAP. Mike Collins had to change the respective EMEMs by hand, Dick Gordon had the handy Verb 79 which only required to input desired rate, deadband and axis and hit PRO. You'll have to do it the Collins way, I'm afraid.

Exactly this, you can use the Apollo 11 procedures for this part found here: https://history.nasa.gov/afj/ap11fj/a11-documents.html

 

[Max-Q]

Thanks... I may give this a go after I try Apollo 10 to get more experience in the ways of lunar flight.
Is full checklist/MCC support planned for NASSP 8.0?

 

[rcflyinghokie]

Thanks... I may give this a go after I try Apollo 10 to get more experience in the ways of lunar flight.
Is full checklist/MCC support planned for NASSP 8.0?

As of right now NASSP 8 will support Apollo 7-11 Probably not later missions until after a 8.0 release but of course that can change!

 

[barrygolden]

there is a set of books called " Apollo Mission Reports " by apogee books that have pretty good time lines for all Apollo missions. A must have for all those who follow Apollo, good books

 

[n72.75]

https://www.ibiblio.org/apollo/Documents/Apollo12FlightPlan.pdf

 

[Max-Q]

Helpful resources! Starting to seem a bit more possible…

 

[MrFickles]

It's definitely possible! I'm currently flying Apollo 12 myself. I use the Apollo 12 flight plan, but the Apollo 11 checklists.

 

[Max-Q]

I decided to go ahead and try 12. Using the generic checklists, I am in orbit at GET 1h 40m. How do I get my TLI PAD? I am not to concerned about the two abort PADs... Will the LVDC automatically compute my TLI?

 

[rcflyinghokie]

I decided to go ahead and try 12. Using the generic checklists, I am in orbit at GET 1h 40m. How do I get my TLI PAD? I am not to concerned about the two abort PADs... Will the LVDC automatically compute my TLI?

The generic checklists only loosely apply. To get your TLI pad you need to use the RTCC. The simple method is to just go to the Maneuver Pad page and choose the TLI pad and calculate it but its not perfect, but close enough. And yes your LVDC already knows which way to go

There is also the extended RTCC method outlined in the RTCC manual for determining all the pieces of TLI.

 

[Max-Q]

Tried the RTCC manual and was instantly confused...
Will try this later today.
Thanks for your help with the first of many questions to come!

 

[rcflyinghokie]

Yeah the RTCC manual takes a bit of deciphering for sure, glad to help! Also don't forget the discord

 

[Max-Q]

Up to LM extraction. How do I calculate my evasive maneuver?
RTCC manual didn't even mention this particular maneuver that I saw!

 

[rcflyinghokie]

Up to LM extraction. How do I calculate my evasive maneuver?
RTCC manual didn't even mention this particular maneuver that I saw!

Which evasive maneuver? The SIVB?

The CSM does not perform an evasive on Apollo 12

 

[Max-Q]

The CSM does not perform an evasive on Apollo 12

Oh. The generic checklists strike again!

 

[rcflyinghokie]

Oh. The generic checklists strike again!

Told you! I wouldn't follow them after launch frankly, use the actual flight plan and procedures.

 

[Max-Q]

use the actual flight plan and procedures.

That is exactly what I am doing now.

At GET 5h 23m the Apollo 12 flightplan tells me to uplink my PTC REFSMMAT. I think I have found the REFSMMAT Uplink screen in RTCC and calculated my PTC REFSMMAT, but I cannot figure out how to uplink it to the CMC.