Alien Invasion!

Would depend on if they wanted our biosphere intact or needed to tweek it to suit them.

Well, I'd assume that their biosphere is sufficiently similar to ours to warrant invading the Earth. Otherwise they might as well attempt to terraform Venus or Mars.

You wouldn't want something that was particulary nasty like an ebola or a zombie producing bug, because it would get quarentined burn itself out quickly.

Release the airborne virus over major cities. By the time quarantine systems are set up, it will be too late.

Then again, engineering an alien virus to infect a mostly unknown species would be rather tricky- I'd go with either life-eating nanites or low fallout radiation bombs.

Btw, "zombie viruses" only exist in science fiction...

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Yep. As long as they only emitted a gamma-ray pulse that was sufficient enough to kill off all life in the target area, and left no considerable fallout (i.e. some sort of antimatter catalysed fusion). That or a short-lived radioactive isotope, and a lot of it.

I've heard of the nasty effects of a gamma ray burst from a supernova, but I'd imagine that such an attack would be on a much lower intensity.
 
Then again, engineering an alien virus to infect a mostly unknown species would be rather tricky.
Not if you are smart enough to cross intersellar space and have been abducting humans for 60 years.


Btw, "zombie viruses" only exist in science fiction...

Kind of like alien space invaders? :P

I've heard of the nasty effects of a gamma ray burst from a supernova, but I'd imagine that such an attack would be on a much lower intensity.

The problem with "kill 'em all with extreme prejudice" strategies is that they are very labor intensive and still don't get them all. And most of them take long enough that the humans will only take 41 minutes to figure out a way to foil their evil plot, at least the Americans will because thats what they expect from Holllywood.
 
I've heard of the nasty effects of a gamma ray burst from a supernova, but I'd imagine that such an attack would be on a much lower intensity.


Probably not much lower in intensity.

Besides, doesn't matter how low the intensity is, atmosphere is going to be affected.
 
Not if you are smart enough to cross intersellar space and have been abducting humans for 60 years.

:rofl:

Kind of like alien space invaders? :P

Well, there's a distinct difference between fantasy abduction aliens, and hypothetical real aliens...

And most of them take long enough that the humans will only take 41 minutes to figure out a way to foil their evil plot, at least the Americans will because thats what they expect from Holllywood.

Well, I'd expect multiple warheads to come screaming down on major cities within a few hours, and since this isn't hollywood, well...

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Besides, doesn't matter how low the intensity is, atmosphere is going to be affected.

If I cook a meal or turn on the computer, the atmosphere is going to be affected. The question is, how much. ;)

The sensible method would be to find the minimum lethal radiation dose for the average human, and work out the total yield needed to kill the majority of the population based on average population density.
 
When I've first found this thread I thought "nonsense...noninteresting" but some days passed and it still on the top! Now I've read it and actually seems interesting.

@first post: We also have R-7 missiles and other sub-orbital long range weaponry that could be easily modified to hit LEO or MEO objects. We also still have research on high intensity LASERs, Tesla-like weapons, my favourite EMP generators and others that could be handy in this situation.

@Artlav: it's true, if you want something why blow it up? In a realistic sense I also ask why would aliens want to extinguish us, but whatever. Also, strategically, ground operations are more probable if those aliens have a similar warefare technological level than that of us.
An important question they would ask themselves is were to strike, because there are not many resources for such large world surface we have (In this post I consider the invaders to not being much more advanced than us). Maybe the White House?

@TNeo: Splattering weapons are inefficient, but they cause a psychologic impact (you think that in the film is cool, but many people in real life would not like to see that).
About viruses and engineered diseases in general have interesting strategical applications in war and is true that if or victims are quarantined the aliens could very well attack again. These biological weapons, as chemical weapons (but no one ever think about this ones :dry:) and radioactive (or "dirty") weapons, may also cause a big impact on people psyche because, in opposition to conventional weapons the kill slowly, in long term and may spread without needing to lose resources. Remember that many of the deaths caused by the Chernobyl Disaster were result of depression and stress of the "liquidators". The only problem with these weapons is that people may cover themselves on time if they are prepared (eg. hide in air-tight bunkers). Specifically the biological hazards are very versatil and be used in many situation: quick infection but very stealthy or of slow death but disabiliting and very prounonced

@Ghostrider: if anyone is thinking that alien forces will not be protected against or weapons with shields or CIWS then they think we are pathetic...
Maybe milk will burn them :P.

My plan in this case (expecting the aliens to have a technological level only slightly higher than us and that every country helps in the war) is to use the Moon as a control point because we will need to be able to launch spacecraft and on Earth that's too expansive. If it happened within the next 5 years or so, NASA could modify their Lunar Project easily (IMO). We could detect the alien forces before they reached Pluto's orbit so we'd have some time to prepare ourselves. There are a lot of abandoned as still functional Cold War Era Fallout Shelters and the like that could be restored and used if needed an evacuation. If aliens try to use asteroids against use then probably they would do it just to spare orbital bombardment systems what would indicate the limits in resources they would have. If they came here using just a Mother-Ship then the quickest we react the better. Large ships are problem so probes for reckoning are important to build a map of targets to aim (alien population clusters like resting rooms/dinner rooms or armament storages) to. Much probably there will be no force/electric field (too sci-fi) so it would be easy to hit the strategic points with experienced pilots or smart guidance systems in Nukes unless they use some kind of advanced interception rounds and that way we needed our LASER systems that could be deployed by satellites on high/geosynchronous orbits and overwhelming waves of attack and outnumbering. I believe that outnumbering of alien forces is feasible because for the long distances they would have travelled and the reason that would lead them to invade us (most probably planet resources depletion) would render them with lack of resources and units therefore they are limited unlike us in the present. It's inevitable that they will try to land on the surface most probably trying to divert in military bases while stockpiling our resources. For that we'll have to use conventional war (I don't see any way around). Finally wait, adapt to their technology and watch: "Optimism, Captain!".
 
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@first post: We also have R-7 missiles and other sub-orbital long range weaponry that could be easily modified to hit LEO or MEO objects. We also still have research on high intensity LASERs, Tesla-like weapons, my favourite EMP generators and others that could be handy in this situation.

The R-7 was phased out long ago, AFAIK, and replaced by more modern systems.

As for energy weapons and suchlike, I doubt we'd be able to construct efficient enough ones in time. Energy weapons have historically been rather poor at doing their job.
 
Maybe the White House?

That would be doing us a favor...

If their goal was to beat us into submission with nessissarily exterminating the population (dead people don't make very good Imperial subjects), then probably the easiest "low hanging fruit" of concentrated defense resources are the US carriers. From orbit they stand out like a sore thumb and can't hide. All you have to do is de orbit a ton or so kenetic object with some sort of terminal guidance. Or use a nuke or a bigger rock to get the whole fleet.

The defense ironically will be to bring the invaders to low orbit by suing for peace and then have your ballistic missile subs submerge launch their missiles at them.
 
That would be doing us a favor...

LOL, but without a stable government the civilians will not save the world with anarchy only.

(dead people don't make very good Imperial subjects)
Who said they follow the same ethnics and standards than those of us?
Maybe they do that not for Imperialistic/Expansionist motives but some kind of essential interest, say, for example, lack of resources or need for home.
 
The defense ironically will be to bring the invaders to low orbit by suing for peace and then have your ballistic missile subs submerge launch their missiles at them.

Now now, we're not uncivilized savages. No, sir, we would do it in a more honorably old-fashioned way: we'll invite them to meet us on the ground, we'll fix a nice party for them, then we'll kill them and eat their flesh in order to obtain their powers.
 
LOL, but without a stable government the civilians will not save the world with anarchy only.


Who said they follow the same ethnics and standards than those of us?
Maybe they do that not for Imperialistic/Expansionist motives but some kind of essential interest, say, for example, lack of resources or need for home.

The context was that you didn't want to wipe humanity off the err.. face of the planet. Which implies that you want them alive for some nefarious purpose. Either to impress with your domination over them, or because your troops want to personaly hunt them down and kill them is besides the point. Right?
 
I for one welcome our new alien overlords.

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Here's some food for thought.
They're from another planet. Who's to say they have the same, violent philosophy as us? If they want our planet, they may just try and imigrate without killing us all.
 
Here's some food for thought.
They're from another planet. Who's to say they have the same, violent philosophy as us?

Since when do all humans have a violent philosophy? Any why should all members of another species share a single viewpoint?

If any species is to survive to become a spacefaring civilisation, they must at least have the capability of violence. Saying "nice kitty" to an alien sabertooth tiger will not get you far in the evolutionary race. ;)

If they want our planet, they may just try and imigrate without killing us all.

That won't work, because humans will protest about a few billion aliens immegrating here; after all, our natural resources are beginning to be strained.

In the end, we might end up putting them all in slums in Africa. :P
 
If aliens travel the hard way - no FTL or wormholes their ship by default whether it`s warship or not would need some sort of extremely sensitive radar and high powered directed energy weapons to detect and vaporize any space debris that might get in their way and do it reliably while traveling at sizable fraction of c with response time few seconds at most. It would be trivial for them to detect and destroy any incoming missiles or kinetic impactors. They could just park in geosync orbit and laugh as we exhaust our missile stocpile.

Personally if I were aliens and wanted to get rid of most of the human population and preserve the Earth biosphere relatively intact while lacking capability to create advanced bioweapons or nanotechnology I would as soon as entering orbit over Earth destroy all important satellites and then start to destroy infrastructure critical for human survival like power plants, roads, bridges, railways, fuel pipelines, communication lines and so on and watch the world plunging into chaos and humans killing each other off in fight for survival.
 
If aliens travel the hard way - no FTL or wormholes their ship by default whether it`s warship or not would need some sort of extremely sensitive radar and high powered directed energy weapons to detect and vaporize any space debris that might get in their way and do it reliably while traveling at sizable fraction of c with response time few seconds at most.

It's more likely that they would have some sort of physical or magnetic shield, or squirt some sort of material out the front of the vessel to destroy oncoming objects. But then again, I'm no alien engineer. Perhaps they build the front 3/4s of the ship out of lego, to dampen impacts. :P

I would as soon as entering orbit over Earth destroy all important satellites and then start to destroy infrastructure critical for human survival like power plants, roads, bridges, railways, fuel pipelines, communication lines and so on and watch the world plunging into chaos and humans killing each other off in fight for survival.

Humans aren't that dependant on said infrastructure, btw. We could still exist in a subsistence fashion almost undetectable from orbit, waiting to wage a guerilla war on the landing party.
 
Humans aren't that dependant on said infrastructure, btw. We could still exist in a subsistence fashion almost undetectable from orbit, waiting to wage a guerilla war on the landing party.

Yeah, but without modern infrastructure human population would collapse to perhaps 17. - 18. century levels posing much less threat. Aliens could then just clear some large remote land from most of remaining humans (Australia maybe?) and set their base there. It seems unlikely there would be much resistance when most of the surviving humans would be busy growing enough food to survive upcoming winter/drought.
 
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