News British and French nuclear submarines collide in Atlantic

[Notebook]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...h-nuclear-submarines-collide-in-Atlantic.html

They never got over Trafalgar, or Agincourt for that matter...

N.

 

[TSPenguin]

O...K...
That must've been some very very sneaky subs

 

[Notebook]

You'd have thought they would have their headlights on. I do when its stormy.

N.

 

[TSPenguin]

It wasn't really clear from the article, but where they surfaced?
I'd assume in rough waters subs would submerge...

 

[Notebook]

I would assume that too, maybe some submariners will give a verdict?
Wonder if they were on joint training, or just trying to sneak up on each other. Not sure if these are hunter-killers or "Boomers"?

N.

 

[TSPenguin]

Those subs were both intended to sit in the ocean and not beeing detected.
I doubt they would play with each other.

 

[McWgogs]

Satellites, submarines, what's next?

 

[garyw]

It wasn't really clear from the article, but where they surfaced?
I'd assume in rough waters subs would submerge...

Actually no. Rough water is generally just on the surface and doesn't go much deeper so in really bad weather subs tend to go deeper where it's a bit quieter and ride out the weather.

 

[Urwumpe]

I was expecting something like that. Left-hand traffic submarines and right-hand traffic submarines in the same ocean calls for a collision.

 

[David413]

I would assume that too, maybe some submariners will give a verdict?
Wonder if they were on joint training, or just trying to sneak up on each other. Not sure if these are hunter-killers or "Boomers"?

N.

According to the accounts published so far, both were "Boomers" (ballistic missile submarines) on unrelated missions. Having served on both an SSN and SSBN (SSN=attack sub, SSBN=missile sub) I can tell you that when an SSBN is on patrol, sneaking up on anything is the last thing you want to do. The basic idea is to "disappear" for the entire patrol.

Whether it was day or night isn't relevant, but heavy seas above can impact sonar somewhat as the ambient noise level will be higher and can mask sounds.

 

[Urwumpe]

Satellites, submarines, what's next?

sa -(+20)-> su
su -(+20)-> to

Tokamak?
Tomahawk?
Tom Cruise?

 

[tl8]

I would assume that too, maybe some submariners will give a verdict?
Wonder if they were on joint training, or just trying to sneak up on each other. Not sure if these are hunter-killers or "Boomers"?

N.

Both were boomers, both are the 1st in their class and both have the same missiles(and number of).

 

[Notebook]

Both were boomers, both are the 1st in their class and both have the same missiles(and number of).

Maybe it was magnetic attraction?

N.

 

[T.Neo]

sa -(+20)-> su
su -(+20)-> to

Tokamak?
Tomahawk?
Tom Cruise?

Tom Cruise throwing a tomahawk at a tokamak? I thought he was bad just jumping on couches. :lol:

 

[Eagle]

Any information on the location of the collision? Its probably classified but I would bet its near a geographic location like an undersea trench or pass between two undersea mountains.

The Ocean is big, but many ships tend to keep to certain 'routes'.

 

[Urwumpe]

Any information on the location of the collision? Its probably classified but I would bet its near a geographic location like an undersea trench or pass between two undersea mountains.

The Ocean is big, but many ships tend to keep to certain 'routes'.

Happened in the "submarine graveyard" in front of the French coast. Many German WW2 submarine wrecks are concentrated in this region.

It is a pretty busy region, if I remember correctly, the French navy uses the same ports as Germany in WW2, so the exit and entry routes will be very similar.

 

[pattersoncr]

From a submariner:
Submerged submarines are always assigned an operating area. These areas are kept separate to avoid undersea collisions. All NATO navies coordinate their submarine operations to deconflict assigned waterspace. It's not clear to me how closely the French coordinate their operations with NATO forces.
It is very clear that one or both boats were "out of area" (outside their assigned waterspace).
I can tell you that for a submarine to be out of area is BAD.

 

[willy88]

I blame Windows. :lol:

 

[Andy44]

Were they "operating" or was one of them heading to or from port, though?

I blame Windows. :lol:

Outstanding reference to an old thread. Bravo!

 

[Linguofreak]

sa -(+20)-> su
su -(+20)-> to

Tokamak?
Tomahawk?
Tom Cruise?

Wrong. The news about the sattelites broke first, but as far as the actual date of collision, the submarine collision happened first.

So it's su -(-20)-> sa -(-20)-> rg

Roentgen?
Roentgenium?
R-Gespraech?
Rig?