Internet Opera: I am *impressed*...

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Opera is one ***sweet*** browser.

Wow....

I was having problems with Firefox in Ubuntu, so I started browser hunting. And last night, I dowloaded Opera. I developed an incurable addiction within the first 5 minutes. So today I downloaded it to the XP partition of this computer, and to our other desktop.

I want something like this smiley, :firefox: but with Opera pushing away Firefox (and/or IE, and/or every other browser on the planet).
 

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I've used Opera, but I prefer Firefox. IMO, it renders pages faster.

However, by that argument, I should be using Google Chrome. Indeed, I like Chrome. My counter-argument? I can't do away with my Firefox addons. When people start making addons for Chrome, I'll probably consider switching.

But, to pull us back onto topic: What were your problems in Ubuntu with Firefox? Perhaps we can cure your addiction early, before you go past the point of no return...
 

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I've used Opera, but I prefer Firefox. IMO, it renders pages faster.

However, by that argument, I should be using Google Chrome. Indeed, I like Chrome. My counter-argument? I can't do away with my Firefox addons. When people start making addons for Chrome, I'll probably consider switching.

But, to pull us back onto topic: What were your problems in Ubuntu with Firefox? Perhaps we can cure your addiction early, before you go past the point of no return...

From what I could tell by looking at a topic on a problem that seemed similar to mine on the Ubuntu forums, it was a problem that Firefox was having with Flash plugins on 64-bit systems (XP is 32 bit). About every five or ten page loads it would CTD on me after I installed Flash, even if the pages didn't contain any Flash items. Even in Opera I'm having trouble getting Flash to work in Ubuntu, but it isn't CTDing, and I at least get sound (whereas Firefox wasn't even giving me that).

But the things that really sold me on Opera, that I haven't seen in any other browser:

1. Speed dial. If you open a blank tab, or set Opera to open one on launch, it will contain 9 slots that you can fill with commonly visited websites.
2. Search engine key(word)s. "g orbiter" will search Google for Orbiter. "w orbiter (sim)" will search Wikipedia for "orbiter (sim)," which will bring up the article for our favorite space sim. The keywords are configurable, so you can assign whatever search engine you want to whatever letter or keyword you want.
3. Mouse gestures. Generally neat and useful. If I want to go to youtube, I can right click and drag in my active Window to open a blank tab, and then use speed dial to go to Youtube. Very fast, very convenient.
 

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From what I could tell by looking at a topic on a problem that seemed similar to mine on the Ubuntu forums, it was a problem that Firefox was having with Flash plugins on 64-bit systems (XP is 32 bit). About every five or ten page loads it would CTD on me after I installed Flash, even if the pages didn't contain any Flash items. Even in Opera I'm having trouble getting Flash to work in Ubuntu, but it isn't CTDing, and I at least get sound (whereas Firefox wasn't even giving me that).

Perhaps there's a 64 bit version of Firefox or something? Actually, I don't know anything about that, so I'll pipe down before I embarrass myself.

Time to demolish the rest of your post, in true Orbiter-Forum tradition (note, of course, that the rest of this post should be considered said in a very light-hearted and jokey manner. None of it is an attack on anyone):

But the things that really sold me on Opera, that I haven't seen in any other browser:

Since when did someone sell you Opera? Anyway. *Puts serious face on*

It's time to rip your heart out with my knowledge of Firefox's addons.


1. Speed dial. If you open a blank tab, or set Opera to open one on launch, it will contain 9 slots that you can fill with commonly visited websites.

I've got that on Firefox. And what do you know? It's called "Speed Dial"!

That scum at Opera, they stole this poor... poor... um... Josep del Rio's idea! Yeah, it's totaly not around the other way!
Pft, since when would an addon developer steal an idea from another browser anyway? Ha, what an imposibility.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4810

2. Search engine key(word)s. "g orbiter" will search Google for Orbiter. "w orbiter (sim)" will search Wikipedia for "orbiter (sim)," which will bring up the article for our favorite space sim. The keywords are configurable, so you can assign whatever search engine you want to whatever letter or keyword you want.

That also is in Chrome. But I just use the little box next to the address bar, the one with the drop-down thingy that you can sellect a bunch of search engines, and add your own to the list. And that was totaly not stolen from Internet Explorer.
Pft.

3. Mouse gestures. Generally neat and useful. If I want to go to youtube, I can right click and drag in my active Window to open a blank tab, and then use speed dial to go to Youtube. Very fast, very convenient.

Eeek!

Actualy, I don't have a counter argument. Other than that I can do all that with hotkeys. Zing!
Pft.

Conveniently, I won't mention that I do have Opera, and use it from time to time to test web pages and the like. I won't admit I admire it's looks, and I certainly won't admit that I've used the voice-control function. I will, however, scream in your ear repeditly that the voice-control thing is rather dodgy.

But that might just be my mic. But I'm not telling you that!
 

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Perhaps there's a 64 bit version of Firefox or something? Actually, I don't know anything about that, so I'll pipe down before I embarrass myself.

Time to demolish the rest of your post, in true Orbiter-Forum tradition (note, of course, that the rest of this post should be considered said in a very light-hearted and jokey manner. None of it is an attack on anyone):



Since when did someone sell you Opera? Anyway. *Puts serious face on*

It's time to rip your heart out with my knowledge of Firefox's addons.




I've got that on Firefox. And what do you know? It's called "Speed Dial"!

That scum at Opera, they stole this poor... poor... um... Josep del Rio's idea! Yeah, it's totaly not around the other way!
Pft, since when would an addon developer steal an idea from another browser anyway? Ha, what an imposibility.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4810

In the spirit of good natured arguem-- *Ah-huh-hem*...

In the spirit of good natured *debate*, the URL gives it away. Sure, speed dial is available for Firefox, but it's an Addon, hidden away on the addon site. In Opera it's native to the browser, and is advertized to all the world on the browser's main Website. So you know that it's there, and you don't have to download anything aside from the browser itself to get it.

That also is in Chrome. But I just use the little box next to the address bar, the one with the drop-down thingy that you can sellect a bunch of search engines, and add your own to the list. And that was totaly not stolen from Internet Explorer.
Pft.

Ah, yes, it's in Chrome. And that speed dial addon is for Firefox. (I won't mention that I haven't tried Chrome, so I don't know if it has a speed dial plugin. Or if it even has plugins.) So you have to get two seperate browsers to get the functionality that Opera gives you in one. :p

Eeek!

Actualy, I don't have a counter argument.

Ah-HA!!!

Other than that I can do all that with hotkeys. Zing!
Pft.

But... Hotkeys... require the use of the... keyboard. I'm... um... too weak... um... to use the... key... board?

On a more serious note, for some reason, mouse gestures just appeal to me more than hotkeys. (Though, interestingly enough, typing a keyword into the address bar appeals to me more than using a dropdown list).

Conveniently, I won't mention that I do have Opera, and use it from time to time to test web pages and the like. I won't admit I admire it's looks, and I certainly won't admit that I've used the voice-control function.

And I conveniently won't admit that I haven't tried the voice control function yet.

I will, however, scream in your ear repeditly that the voice-control thing is rather dodgy.

But that might just be my mic. But I'm not telling you that!

LOL.


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Because James didn't have a reply for this one: http://www.mousegestures.org/

Ah, but once again, it's a plugin ;). Opera supports gestures straight out of the... um... box. (Where's did I leave that dang box? Oh...)
 

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In the spirit of good natured *debate*, the URL gives it away. Sure, speed dial is available for Firefox, but it's an Addon, hidden away on the addon site. In Opera it's native to the browser, and is advertized to all the world on the browser's main Website. So you know that it's there, and you don't have to download anything aside from the browser itself to get it.
Well, since I started using Orbiter, I just don't feel like I have made a piece of software my own until I have installed at least a dozen addons ;)

Ah, yes, it's in Chrome...
That search box is also in Firefox. :p

On a more serious note, for some reason, mouse gestures just appeal to me more than hotkeys. (Though, interestingly enough, typing a keyword into the address bar appeals to me more than using a dropdown list).
See Heilor's post.

Me, I have trouble doing anything more with a mouse than pointing and clicking. Maybe its a wrist dexterity thing? I'm more your typing kind of guy - so much so that I generally type addresses in the address bar rather than use my bookmarks for sites that I visit often. The auto-complete works well, so I normally only bookmark more obscure sites that I might want to visit later.

And I conveniently won't admit that I haven't tried the voice control function yet.
I don't think I'll start talking to my computer any time soon. I can just imagine the looks I would get from my wife! :lol:
 

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Linguofreak finaly discovered Opera.
It was only a matter of time and it finaly happened.

The really cool thing about opera, that it is a hell of a lot smaller than firefox AND has the functionality of firefox with 30+ plugins out of the box.
But what always got me, is that you have proper options! You have setting you expect in a browser. Like how many connections are made or after what time the page is drawn, which comes with a neat "instantly" setting <- *rubbing this sentence in james face* :p

Also using the things like "g orbiter" are fully configurable (and always have been), so I have d for imdb, m for mininova, i for isohunt, b for piratebay. w for wikipedia is a default key as many others. That F8 gives focus to the URL window and marks the content makes this so much better than any firefox addon anyway.

But THE ONE AND ONLY ARGUMENT FOR MOST MALE USERS TO SWITCH TO OPERA is the ability to visit your favorite page which links to numbered pages, like thumbs01.htm, thumbs02.htm or even more convenient 01.jpg, 02.jpg etc. etc. open any of those links and then use the hotkey (ctrl+right) or mouse gesture (hold left+right) to cycle forward in your history. YES ****ING FORWARD. Hell opera is the reason thumbnail pages got invented in the first place!
I rest my case!
 

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Oh, but Opera has an aquarium add-on! (IIRC, they call 'em widgets...)

(Which I don't use since I switched back to Firefox-- I forget why; probably 'cause I'm turning into an anti-proprietary-software nut.)
 

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But THE ONE AND ONLY ARGUMENT FOR MOST MALE USERS TO SWITCH TO OPERA is the ability to visit your favorite page which links to numbered pages, like thumbs01.htm, thumbs02.htm or even more convenient 01.jpg, 02.jpg etc. etc. open any of those links and then use the hotkey (ctrl+right) or mouse gesture (hold left+right) to cycle forward in your history. YES ****ING FORWARD. Hell opera is the reason thumbnail pages got invented in the first place!
I rest my case!

Does it have "in private browsing" or the ability to rapidly clear one's entire local cache/history/temp folder like firefox/IE?

Because if it does, Opera may be my new browser for.......um, nevermind.
 

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It does not have in private browsing option (yet) but with tools->delete private data->ok
you should be fine.

btw, they decided their scripting engine was too slow. the new one is not yet available to the public but it will be quick as hell :)

edit: btw, I have always loved the F12 menu.
 

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Totaly forgot that one. Thanks, loading is even faster now that synchronous DNS is activated :p
 

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Totaly forgot that one. Thanks, loading is even faster now that synchronous DNS is activated :p

I still use a older Opera 9.27...this new have different look and changed button position...more like an old one.
 

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The new ones come with the old skin too. I was alianated by the new look too.
And button positions can be changed easily :)
 

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I read the thread title as "Oprah: I am Impressed." Well I did just wake up. :coffee:
 

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Again, let me say this: Comedy follows.

Because James didn't have a reply for this one: http://www.mousegestures.org/

[snipped gibber-jabber designed to re-enforce the Firefox side of the battle]

Gentlemen, when the final battle arrives, remind me to not send you to the front against the Internet Explorer horde.
Eeesh, now that's going to be a bloodbath. Anyway, time to wrap this lot up and head home.

Linguofreak finaly discovered Opera.
It was only a matter of time and it finaly happened.

I know. Do you want to drag him to rehab, or shall I?

The really cool thing about opera, that it is a hell of a lot smaller than firefox AND has the functionality of firefox with 30+ plugins out of the box.

You know, it's this exact reason (or rather, the opposite reason) that I love Firefox so.

See, the blokes over at Mozilla reconise, quite simply, that one size dosen't fit all. That's why they promote addons as much as they do. They host addons.
And quite well, too. Nifty, well-set-up site.

You see, by using a plugin system, rather than an out-of-the-box system, you're sure that individual users won't be swamped by features that they won't want, much less need. Like, I'm a hotkey person. As said before. I detest mouse gestures. However, should someone want mouse gestures, there's an plugin for it.
Mouse gestures. Makes my skin crawl, they realy do.

Also, the use of plugins rather than hard-coding features does two other, important things: Firstly, it speeds up development of that particular feature, because an individual, non-Mozilla coder can concentrate on the feature, and is more likley to see that feature as their personal accomplishment, and hence work even more on it, resulting in a better implementation than anything hard-coded. For example, "DownThemAll!" is a plugin download manager, many times better than Firefox's own built-in manager. Indeed, it's highly reccomended by Mozilla themselves. And it intergrates perfectly.
Better than it would in Opera. Pft, Opera.

Secondly, you've got multiple, individualy-developed plugins for every feature, like how in Orbiter both ASMO and NASS(A?)P cover the Apollo project. So, if you don't like the looks of one inbrowser iTunes controller plugin, use another. Or, make one yourself, which you can tailor to your own needs.
Long live plugins. Does Opera have plugins? That's what I thought.

But what always got me, is that you have proper options! You have setting you expect in a browser. Like how many connections are made or after what time the page is drawn, which comes with a neat "instantly" setting <- *rubbing this sentence in james face* :p

Show me this option! I see no such thing, despite my own scouring of Opera! Or is this option, say, added to your arsenal by a... plugin?
Crowd instructions: Gasp. Loudly. Repiditly, if need be.


Seriously, gasp. GASP!

Also using the things like "g orbiter" are fully configurable (and always have been), so I have d for imdb, m for mininova, i for isohunt, b for piratebay. w for wikipedia is a default key as many others. That F8 gives focus to the URL window and marks the content makes this so much better than any firefox addon anyway.

*Cough* Theres-a-box-to-the-side-that-does-that-for-me-because-I-can't... *Breathes in* ...be-bothered-remembering-a-truckload-of-letter-code-things-but-I'm-pretty-sure-there's-a-plugin-somewhere-that-does-that *Cough*

But THE ONE AND ONLY ARGUMENT FOR MOST MALE USERS TO SWITCH TO OPERA is the ability to visit your favorite page which links to numbered pages, like thumbs01.htm, thumbs02.htm or even more convenient 01.jpg, 02.jpg etc. etc. open any of those links and then use the hotkey (ctrl+right) or mouse gesture (hold left+right) to cycle forward in your history. YES ****ING FORWARD. Hell opera is the reason thumbnail pages got invented in the first place!
I rest my case!

Hum. I'll quickly note that the pages or images have to be numbered specificaly, or otherwise, I bet Opera chucks a tantrum? Hum. Funny.
But what I realy want to know is, what sort of galleries has TSP been viewing recently?

Oh, but Opera has an aquarium add-on! (IIRC, they call 'em widgets...)

(Which I don't use since I switched back to Firefox-- I forget why; probably 'cause I'm turning into an anti-proprietary-software nut.)

Oh yes, I remember that. So you can waste time, feeding fish, on a program made for browsing the web, instead of wasting time, browsing the web, on a program that was made for browing the web... I'm sure it wouldn't be to hard to make a plugin for Firefox for that.

Type in address bar opera:config and you got more option.;)

We've got them too. Over here, we call that about:config, though there are others. Like about:robots, if you want to learn everything to do with that new, shiny, metal friend of yours.
Yes, that one that I programmed to install Firefox on your computer.
 

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Yes, plugins are nice! There are plugins for opera too, except nobody uses them because nobody needs them (hence, most of them are play stuff).
It is nice that we live in a world where you can plugin up nearly every software to be an OS replacement.

And btw, what is up with browsers that don't support the REST command of HTTP and FTP? So you need an extra software (be it plugin or standalone) to simply resume a download?!?! wtf...

You are a funny guy james. On one hand you claim to be a keyboard shortcut guy but F8, g is too hard for you to remember and you rather use your mouse to go to a drop down list, then select one of the 50million search engines in your arsenal (why else would you need a drop down box? seriously, nobody searches in more than 3 places on a regular basis) only to switch back to keyboard to enter your search term... This seems not very smart, especialy from a guy who claims to hate mouse gestures. You seem to develop a pattern there, you missed a really easy to find option (see attached screenshot).

Btw, I don't use mouse gestures myself. I only use hold one button and press the other for forward and backward.

For intelligent forward, you don't need images/pages to be numbered. Comming from a site that has them linked is enough. This feature is especialy usefull if you want to read through a bunch of comics. Of course this also respects the link the author defined as beeing the next page, which is beeing done less and less because IE and FF don't really like to follow the interesting parts of standards.

The original reason I came (and stayed) with opera is the acid test. You should look it up.
 

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We've got them too. Over here, we call that about:config, though there are others. Like about:robots, if you want to learn everything to do with that new, shiny, metal friend of yours.

You don't know where to type?
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