News FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH 2016 Spielberg

[Notebook]

Nico Rosberg beats Lewis Hamilton in rain-hit Austrian GP practice

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/36684434

Rosberg set his time in the seven minutes of running at the beginning of the session before a heavy downpour.

Hamilton recorded his lap in the final 10 minutes after the rain had abated and the sun returned.

There was just 0.019 seconds between them, with Force India's Nico Hulkenberg third from Ferrari's Sebastian Vettel.

https://www.formula1.com/en/championship/races/2016/Austria.html

 

[ADSWNJ]

Weird formulation of wording... you don't beat anyone in practice. You just practice.

 

[C3PO]

Rosberg suffered suspension failure during this morning's practice and will get a 5 place grid penalty. I'd say he lost that session.
Qualifying about to start.

---------- Post added at 01:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:57 PM ----------

3 rear suspension failures during Q1. :uhh: Red flagged with 1:44 to go. Just enough to get one more flying lap.

 

[Notebook]

FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH 2016 - QUALIFYING

01- 03 Jul 2016 Red Bull Ring, Spielberg

Pos No Driver Car Q1 Q2 Q3 Laps
1 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:06.947 1:06.228 1:07.922 21
2 6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:06.516 1:06.403 1:08.465 20
3 27 Nico Hulkenberg Force India Mercedes 1:07.385 1:07.257 1:09.285 25
4 5 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 1:06.761 1:06.602 1:09.781 18
5 22 Jenson Button McLaren Honda 1:07.653 1:07.572 1:09.900 22
6 7 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:07.240 1:06.940 1:09.901 21
7 3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 1:07.500 1:06.840 1:09.980 20
8 77 Valtteri Bottas Williams Mercedes 1:07.148 1:06.911 1:10.440 18
9 33 Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing TAG Heuer 1:07.131 1:06.866 1:11.153 17
10 19 Felipe Massa Williams Mercedes 1:07.419 1:07.145 1:11.977 21
11 21 Esteban Gutierrez Haas Ferrari 1:07.660 1:07.578 18
12 94 Pascal Wehrlein MRT Mercedes 1:07.565 1:07.700 17
13 8 Romain Grosjean Haas Ferrari 1:07.662 1:07.850 19
14 14 Fernando Alonso McLaren Honda 1:07.671 1:08.154 12
15 55 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso Ferrari 1:07.618 10
16 11 Sergio Perez Force India Mercedes 1:07.657 5
17 20 Kevin Magnussen Renault 1:07.941 10
18 30 Jolyon Palmer Renault 1:07.965 9
19 88 Rio Haryanto MRT Mercedes 1:08.026 11
20 26 Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso Ferrari 1:08.409 8
21 9 Marcus Ericsson Sauber Ferrari 1:08.418 12
22 12 Felipe Nasr Sauber Ferrari 1:08.446 13

Q1 107% Time: 1:11.172 Note - Vettel and Rosberg set to drop five grid places as penalty for unscheduled gearbox changes.

 

[ADSWNJ]

Fabulous Q3 session: they had a wet track to start with, but it was rapidly drying. Cockpit radio at the start had drivers saying "no chance for slicks", but by the end everyone was on ultrasofts. The pole time in the last 3 minutes changed loads of times, in whole seconds.

BUT ... the big story of the session was the ultra-harsh curbs. Four cars broke rear suspensions, all in the same manner by shaking the cars to bits over those curbs. Dani Kvyat had a massive wipe-out with some amazing super-slo-mo camera work showing the huge stresses going through the chassis and the rear right shaking itself free.

I would expect overnight that they will be grinding down those curbs.

 

[indy91]

Some people say the drivers should simply avoid the kerbs and consider them as a wall they can never drive over. Leaving the track should be punished, right? While I can kind of agree with that, the problem with these kerbs seems to be their shape and pattern that are really destructive for the suspension, if you drive over them at racing speed. So I think they should consider changing them to be not as destructive, but removing them altogether? I don't know, track limits are best enforced by making off-track excursions slow.

Also, again the GP2 with a very entertaining race. Changing conditions throughout the race, sometimes half the track was wet and the other half dry and lots of lead changes. Hopefully GP3 right now and F1 tomorrow can offer similar exciting racing.

 

[ADSWNJ]

Check out the number of position changes on the last flying laps of Q3:
https://streamable.com/2ft2

 

[Notebook]

13:23
In the action at the start, I did not get to mention Wehrlein's moment of madness on the grid.

He went into Massa's empty grid place and then tried to reverse out. Not sure if the marshals noticed - but he was up as high as seventh. Down in 17th now though.

Summary


Rosberg undercuts Hamilton during pitstops after problems changing Hamilton's wheel


Kvyat out

...N.

 

[C3PO]

Safety car! Vettel's right rear tire failed right at the finish line.

 

[ADSWNJ]

Real poor behavior from Nico on the last lap. I love to see close wheel to wheel racing, but trying to run your teammate off the road rather then let him pass is just wrong. Instant karma kicked in though.

Toto needs to have words with Rosberg.

 

[Notebook]

Pos Driver Team Grid Fastest Lap Race Time Points


1 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1  1:08.411 1:27:38.107 25
2 Max Verstappen Red Bull 8 1:08.491 +0:05.719 18
3 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari 4 1:08.876 +0:06.024 15
4 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 6 1:08.491 +0:16.710 12
5 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull 5 1:08.770 +0:30.981 10
6 Jenson Button McLaren 3 1:10.001 +0:37.706 8
7 Romain Grosjean Haas F1 13 1:09.925 +0:44.668 6
8 Carlos Sainz Jnr Toro Rosso 15 1:10.138 +0:47.440 4
9 Valtteri Bottas Williams 7 1:10.210 Lapped 2
10 Pascal Wehrlein Manor 12 1:10.859 Lapped 1
11 Esteban Gutierrez Haas F1 11 1:09.694 Lapped 0
12 Jolyon Palmer Renault 19 1:10.228 Lapped 0
13 Felipe Nasr Sauber 21 1:10.415 Lapped 0
14 Kevin Magnussen Renault 17 1:10.450 Lapped 0
15 Marcus Ericsson Sauber 18 1:10.704 Lapped 0
16 Rio Haryanto Manor 20 1:10.342 Lapped 0
R Sergio Perez Force India 16 1:10.120 Crashed (69) 0
R Fernando Alonso McLaren 14 1:11.020 Retired (64) 0
R Nico Hulkenberg Force India 2 1:10.309 Retired (64) 0
R Felipe Massa Williams 10 1:09.899 Retired (63) 0
R Sebastian Vettel Ferrari 9 1:11.441 Retired (26) 0
R Daniil Kvyat Toro Rosso 22 1:18.302 Retired (2) 0

Whats up with Alonso, is he past his peak?
Last updated 3 July 2016 at 15:17

 

[indy91]

Real poor behavior from Nico on the last lap. I love to see close wheel to wheel racing, but trying to run your teammate off the road rather then let him pass is just wrong. Instant karma kicked in though.

Toto needs to have words with Rosberg.

That's Hamilton every other race on lap 1. :rofl:

Not crashing though (well, rarely). Usually Rosberg looses a couple spots like that because Hamilton isn't a team player. But this incident was too hard from Rosberg and then Hamilton turns in and they collide. So mostly Nicos fault I guess, but probably too much of a normal racing incident to warrant any penalty.

EDIT: Only just got finished watching the race and didn't follow the news. He did get a penalty, although it didn't change the result.

 

[ADSWNJ]

Yup - 2 driving penalty points on his super-license (trivial), 10 secs penalty (zero impact), and a reprimand for driving with a broken car, but it made clear where the race stewards felt the blame was.

I thought the real schadenfreude example was Rosberg's driving line after that corner, before he realized his car was broken. He ran tight on the left curb to block Hamilton from coming back onto the track unless behind him.

Here's a more interesting question though: put yourself in Toto's position. You want your drivers to race (i.e. you hate the idea of team orders), but you are more than annoyed when they crash into each other or take each other out of the race. And you are not allowed to coach them or tell them to move over, over the radio. How do you solve this?

 

[indy91]

I thought the real schadenfreude example was Rosberg's driving line after that corner, before he realized his car was broken. He ran tight on the left curb to block Hamilton from coming back onto the track unless behind him.

There is no rule that a driver on the racing line has to leave space for a driver from off-road. Hamilton on the other hand didn't lift the throttle at all coming back to the track. Unsafe rejoining however is against the rules. I'd compare this to the incident in Spain; if Hamilton had lost control over the grass and crashed into Rosberg... I don't know, maybe still a racing incident and the same outcome with the penalty for Rosberg for the earlier crash.

Here's a more interesting question though: put yourself in Toto's position. You want your drivers to race (i.e. you hate the idea of team orders), but you are more than annoyed when they crash into each other or take each other out of the race. And you are not allowed to coach them or tell them to move over, over the radio. How do you solve this?

It's very difficult, especially when you basically have two separate goals: two drivers who want the Drivers Championship and the team wants the Constructors Championship formost. It's like Prost and Senna 1988 and those two guys didn't exactly shy away from crashing into each other...