The astrology of 2015

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Here is our horoscope for 2015, assuming you're not in space probe business.
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There are 12 variables, surely the Gods would affect some differently? I would if I was a God...

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Why is taurus switched with capricorn? Did the night sky change so much lately? :p
 

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Man, that's what my horoscope was last year. They're awfully boring these days.
 

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Man, that's what my horoscope was last year. They're awfully boring these days.

Yeah, science takes the fun out of everything! :lol:

With due respect to Voltair (ok, on second thought I don't really like the guy that much), calling Astrology a daughter to Astronomy is not really justified. They're more like siblings, grown up in the same household, and when they were old enough one went to school and the other decided that you don't need an education to make money...
 

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Yeah, science takes the fun out of everything! :lol:

With due respect to Voltair (ok, on second thought I don't really like the guy that much), calling Astrology a daughter to Astronomy is not really justified. They're more like siblings, grown up in the same household, and when they were old enough one went to school and the other decided that you don't need an education to make money...

And thousands of fortune tellers would agree with her...which doesn't say much for popular thinking.

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Technically the OP is a straw man, since no serious astrologer claims that planets affect your life :)
 

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François-Marie Arouet (1694-1778), also known as 'Voltaire' (writing pseudonym).

"La superstition est à la religion ce que l'astrologie est à l'astronomie, la fille très folle d'une mère très sage."

"Superstition is to religion what astrology is to astronomy, the very mad daughter of a very wise mother."
 

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Technically the OP is a straw man, since no serious astrologer claims that planets affect your life :)

Technically that is a "No true Scotsman"-fallacy because enough do.
 

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Oh well, my french is a bit spanish :lol:
(Might be that expression only really works in german...)

All I really wanted to say was that astronomy and astrology were pretty much one and the same pre-Copernicus, and really only started to diverge post-Keppler.
 
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Yes, but Astrology came first. It is the crazy mother that produced a wise daughter.

BTW, we can also add alchemy and chemistry to the list.
 

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Yes, but Astrology came first. It is the crazy mother that produced a wise daughter.

BTW, we can also add alchemy and chemistry to the list.

That's not it either. The point is, there really could not be a distinction between the two. The earliest astrologers did real astronomy... they just attached a whole lot of mysticism to it, which was also a result of what they believed stars to be, which they had no means of verifying.

Similarly, until the advent of the microscope, Alchemists really did chemistry. They had just no idea what they were working with and no way to find out appart from practical experiments in a rather limited setup.

It's very much the same conundrum that we face that the earliest scientists were philosophers. It doesn't mean they didn't do science.
 
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I could very well argue that the position of the stars and planets (one star and planet in particular) have a very strong impact on my life even influencing the clothes i wear on any given day.
 

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All I really wanted to say was that astronomy and astrology were pretty much one and the same pre-Copernicus, and really only started to diverge post-Keppler.

And paradoxically, heliocentrism got popular because it allowed faster calculation of ephemeris, which is what you do when you make a horoscope. Shorter calculation time = more horoscopes = more money.

On a related note, there is pretty good evidence that Star of Bethlehem was not an astronomical event, but an astrological one.
 

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On a related note, there is pretty good evidence that Star of Bethlehem was not an astronomical event, but an astrological one.

Uhm, something going on in the sky which is observed by someone is per definition an astronomical event. You may interpret it astrologically though.
 
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