# ProblemProblem with Automatic Launch Sistem

#### ale131296

##### New member
Well I'll explain my problem:
I was trying to make a scenario where Deltaglider and STS will launch and dock on orbit.
First I launch Deltaglider and I put it into a predetermined orbit.
That orbit has to have the same ecliptic inclination and LAN as the STS.
WHY? Because before of making this scenario I tried to make an automatic Launch with STS and I put into the scenario file the TGT HEADING and the first time I launch it I took the inclination, LAN, periapsis and apoapsis to know how it must be the orbit of the Deltaglider.
Well, when I made perfectly (It took to me some days trying new things to do and then I had it) I tried to do at all.
I took-off from Rwy 15 at Kennedy Space Center and I put DeltaGlider into my desired orbit.
The next day when the launch window was opened I launch the STS-136 (an invented new mission of STS with Endeavour).
The automatic launch sistem was perfect till the Shuttle began to pitch forward and rotate like a crazy rocket...It was a pity because all of the time that I wasted making the scenario and it was for nothing.
If someone would know how I solve my problem with the automatic Launch Sistem I will be so happy ^^
If you like, I'll post my scenario file here but only If you want.
Ah OH! I've posted a thread one month ago with a frustrating problem I didn't solve it but I have almost solved it. Now I can do transfer orbits and travel around solar system Thanks to all people for helping stupid people like me xD

---------- Post added at 10:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:32 PM ----------

I forgotten to say that my plan was to do the docking maneuver between the two ships with an Unity module. I'm thinking that the problem could be the weight of the payload. I don't know PLEASE I NEED HELP

#### STS

##### Well-known member
Hello.

It will be helpful if you post the scenario and describe what Space Shuttle addon are you using (retired Shuttle Fleet or SSU).

The issue is probably related with how you attached the payload to the cargobay of the shuttle, the scenario will help to determine if the problem is there.

#### ale131296

##### New member
Well I use the newest Space Shuttle Fleet version and the newest DG4.
Ok I'll post it

---------- Post added at 10:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:14 PM ----------

Code:
BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
System Sol
Date MJD 55270.5138888890
Help Default\Checklists\Quickstart,Quickstart
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
Ship GL-01
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
TARGET GL-01
MODE Cockpit
FOV 90.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_HUD
TYPE Surface
END_HUD

BEGIN_MFD Left
TYPE Orbit
PROJ Ship
FRAME Equator
REF Earth
END_MFD

BEGIN_MFD Right
TYPE Map
REF Earth
BTARGET Cape Canaveral
END_MFD

BEGIN_SHIPS
ISS:ProjectAlpha_ISS
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS -776985.01 -6402915.81 1957253.37
RVEL -7505.967 1241.082 1104.984
AROT 110.10 -10.53 79.96
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
IDS 0:588 100 1:586 100 2:584 100 3:582 100 4:580 100
NAVFREQ 0 0
XPDR 466
END
Mir:Mir
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 5816272.40 198931.07 3250841.40
RVEL -3775.819 411.264 6738.402
AROT 0.07 -45.24 89.95
AFCMODE 7
IDS 0:540 100 1:542 100 2:544 100
XPDR 482
END
Luna-OB1:Wheel
STATUS Orbiting Moon
RPOS -1393778.83 1752711.39 -810.04
RVEL -1158.063 -921.018 0.344
AROT 0.00 -0.00 39.64
VROT 0.00 0.00 10.00
AFCMODE 7
IDS 0:560 100 1:564 100
XPDR 494
END
GL-01:DeltaGliderIV
STATUS Landed Earth
POS -80.6826840 28.5970740
RCSMODE 0
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:0.995000 1:1.000000 2:0.983333
IDS 0:45 100
NAVFREQ 94 524
XPDR 0
;-------------------------- Skin parameters must contain directory name of skin (without space)
MeshSkin Mining
;-------------------------- Cargo payload must contain name of config file or "none".(see doc)
NOSECONE 0 0.00
GEAR 1 1.00
AllDoorsState 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0.00
But1Cockpit 0 0 0 2 2 2 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 5
But2Cockpit 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 2 2 2 0 3 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
TransEffect 0
LifeBut1State 0 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 0 0
LevelBatt 100.0002
Emergency_power 10000.0000
VoltageStartBus 0.0000
VoltageGen1 96.2820
VoltageGen2 96.2819
VoltageGenBus 96.0000
O2tankALevel 90.5169
N2tankALevel 100.0000
O2tankBLevel 100.0000
N2tankBLevel 100.0000
CabinO2Level 21.3896
CabinCO2Level 600.0007
CabinTempLevel 21.2000
CabinPressure 14.7000
CabinMoistLevel 36.0000
CabinDustLevel -0.0003
CabinO2Setting 21.4000
CabinTempSetting 21.2000
CabinPressSetting 14.7000
AntennaTarget no_target
O2ConsumptionSetting 1
FuelConsumptionSetting 1
MainenginePower 1
;------------------Crew parameters  UMMUCREW Function-Name-Age-CardiacPulse-WeightKg (fonction of Pilot must be: Capt)
NoOneOnBoard 0
NoPilotOnBoard 0
UMMUCREW Capt-Christopher_Coles-47-60-70
UMMUCREW Spe-Burton_Lambert-22-66-78
UMMUCREW Ast-Daniel_Gecker-33-72-75
FailGearFailure 0
FailGearCollapse 0
FailLeftMainEngine 0
FailRightMainEngine 0
FailHoverEngine 0
FailRcs 0
FailSurfaceControl 0
FailComputer 0
FailComputerBlueScreen 0
FailAutopilot 0
FailAirbrake 0
FailNoseCone 0
FailCanopy 0
FailAntenna 0
FailLeftTurbo 0
FailRightTurbo 0
FailCargoDoor 0
SpacesuitTimer 0
UCGO @@0,1,0,0,@@1,1,0,0,@@2,1,0,0,@@3,1,0,0,
END
SH-03:ShuttleA
STATUS Landed Earth
BASE Habana:4
POS -82.3982414 23.0005396
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
XPDR 0
PODANGLE 0.0000 0.0000
DOCKSTATE 0 0.0000
AIRLOCK 0 0.0000
GEAR 0 0.0000
END
PB-01:ShuttlePB
STATUS Landed Earth
BASE Habana:1
POS -82.4000000 22.9994604
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
END
GL-02:DeltaGlider
STATUS Landed Mars
BASE Olympus:3
POS -135.4299999 12.7366196
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0
XPDR 0
GEAR 1 1.0000
AAP 0:0 0:0 0:0
END
SH-01:ShuttleA
STATUS Landed Moon
BASE Brighton Beach:1
POS -33.4374996 41.1184067
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
XPDR 0
PODANGLE 0.0000 0.0000
DOCKSTATE 0 0.0000
AIRLOCK 0 0.0000
GEAR 0 0.0000
END
STS-136:Shuttle
STATUS Landed Earth
POS -80.6207770 28.6271840
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
UMMUCREW Capt-Alejandro_Alcantarilla-17-70-70
UMMUCREW Ev1-Jose_Miguel-14-70-70
UMMUCREW Ev1-Ana_Isabel_Barrero_Alcant-12-70-70
UMMUCREW Vip-Mari_Carmen_Alcantarilla_-31-70-70
CONFIGURATION 0
OV- 105
RENDER
RMSARM
ODS
CARGODOOR 0 0.0000
KUBAND 0 0.0000
POSTLAND 0 0.0000
SSMES 0 0.0000
PETD 0 0.0000
SETD 0 0.0000
ARMTILT 0 0.0000 0 0.0000
GEAR 0 0.0000
ARM_STATUS 0.5000 0.0151 0.0162 0.5000 0.5000 0.5000
PL1_OFS 0.000000 -0.500000 0.500000
PL1_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL1_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
PL2_OFS 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000
PL2_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL2_ROT 1.000000 0.000000 0.000000
PL3_OFS -1.850000 1.800000 11.750000
PL3_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL3_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
PL4_OFS -2.200000 1.800000 -6.250000
PL4_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL4_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
PL5_OFS 2.200000 1.800000 -6.250000
PL5_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL5_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
PL6_OFS 1.850000 1.800000 11.750000
PL6_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL6_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
KEEL_CAM 0.145000 -1.500000 -1.356000
CALLOUT
ASSIST  134.000000 90.000000
END
Unity:ISSR\Unity
STATUS Landed Earth
BASE Cape Canaveral:3
POS -80.6208900 28.6271740
ATTACHED 0:0,STS-136
AFCMODE 7
NAVFREQ 0 0
NODE 1
TC1 0 0.0000 1
TC2 0 0.0000 1
TC3 0 0.0000 1
TC4 0 0.0000 1
END
BayLights:PBLights
STATUS Landed Earth
ATTACHED 0:15,STS-136
LIGHTS 0.10
ODS
DIALOG
END
RMSLight:RMSLight
STATUS Landed Earth
ATTACHED 0:16,STS-136
DIALOG
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

The names of the crew in STS-136 are my name and some family members of my family hahaha I didn't know what names to put to the crew and I think that putting those names would be better than putting another names

---------- Post added at 10:18 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:17 PM ----------

Oopss I don't know how to post the scenario file better... sorry for all the wasted space in this thread

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#### ky

##### Director of Manned Spaceflight
Copy and paste the scenario text, click on the code button, then paste, so it shows up like this:
Code:
BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
System Sol
Date MJD 55270.5138888890
Help Default\Checklists\Quickstart,Quickstart
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
Ship GL-01
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
TARGET GL-01
MODE Cockpit
FOV 90.00
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_HUD
TYPE Surface
END_HUD

BEGIN_MFD Left
TYPE Orbit
PROJ Ship
FRAME Equator
REF Earth
END_MFD

BEGIN_MFD Right
TYPE Map
REF Earth
BTARGET Cape Canaveral
END_MFD

BEGIN_SHIPS
ISSrojectAlpha_ISS
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS -776985.01 -6402915.81 1957253.37
RVEL -7505.967 1241.082 1104.984
AROT 110.10 -10.53 79.96
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
IDS 0:588 100 1:586 100 2:584 100 3:582 100 4:580 100
NAVFREQ 0 0
XPDR 466
END
Mir:Mir
STATUS Orbiting Earth
RPOS 5816272.40 198931.07 3250841.40
RVEL -3775.819 411.264 6738.402
AROT 0.07 -45.24 89.95
AFCMODE 7
IDS 0:540 100 1:542 100 2:544 100
XPDR 482
END
Luna-OB1:Wheel
STATUS Orbiting Moon
RPOS -1393778.83 1752711.39 -810.04
RVEL -1158.063 -921.018 0.344
AROT 0.00 -0.00 39.64
VROT 0.00 0.00 10.00
AFCMODE 7
IDS 0:560 100 1:564 100
XPDR 494
END
GL-01:DeltaGliderIV
STATUS Landed Earth
POS -80.6826840 28.5970740
RCSMODE 0
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:0.995000 1:1.000000 2:0.983333
IDS 0:45 100
NAVFREQ 94 524
XPDR 0
;-------------------------- Skin parameters must contain directory name of skin (without space)
MeshSkin Mining
;-------------------------- Cargo payload must contain name of config file or "none".(see doc)
NOSECONE 0 0.00
GEAR 1 1.00
AllDoorsState 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0.00
But1Cockpit 0 0 0 2 2 2 0 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 5
But2Cockpit 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 2 2 2 0 3 0 0 0 1 1 0 0
TransEffect 0
LifeBut1State 0 2 1 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 0 0
LevelBatt 100.0002
Emergency_power 10000.0000
VoltageStartBus 0.0000
VoltageGen1 96.2820
VoltageGen2 96.2819
VoltageGenBus 96.0000
O2tankALevel 90.5169
N2tankALevel 100.0000
O2tankBLevel 100.0000
N2tankBLevel 100.0000
CabinO2Level 21.3896
CabinCO2Level 600.0007
CabinTempLevel 21.2000
CabinPressure 14.7000
CabinMoistLevel 36.0000
CabinDustLevel -0.0003
CabinO2Setting 21.4000
CabinTempSetting 21.2000
CabinPressSetting 14.7000
AntennaTarget no_target
O2ConsumptionSetting 1
FuelConsumptionSetting 1
MainenginePower 1
;------------------Crew parameters UMMUCREW Function-Name-Age-CardiacPulse-WeightKg (fonction of Pilot must be: Capt)
NoOneOnBoard 0
NoPilotOnBoard 0
UMMUCREW Capt-Christopher_Coles-47-60-70
UMMUCREW Spe-Burton_Lambert-22-66-78
UMMUCREW Ast-Daniel_Gecker-33-72-75
FailGearFailure 0
FailGearCollapse 0
FailLeftMainEngine 0
FailRightMainEngine 0
FailHoverEngine 0
FailRcs 0
FailSurfaceControl 0
FailComputer 0
FailComputerBlueScreen 0
FailAutopilot 0
FailAirbrake 0
FailNoseCone 0
FailCanopy 0
FailAntenna 0
FailLeftTurbo 0
FailRightTurbo 0
FailCargoDoor 0
SpacesuitTimer 0
UCGO @@0,1,0,0,@@1,1,0,0,@@2,1,0,0,@@3,1,0,0,
END
SH-03:ShuttleA
STATUS Landed Earth
BASE Habana:4
POS -82.3982414 23.0005396
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
XPDR 0
PODANGLE 0.0000 0.0000
DOCKSTATE 0 0.0000
AIRLOCK 0 0.0000
GEAR 0 0.0000
END
PB-01:ShuttlePB
STATUS Landed Earth
BASE Habana:1
POS -82.4000000 22.9994604
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
END
GL-02:DeltaGlider
STATUS Landed Mars
BASE Olympus:3
POS -135.4299999 12.7366196
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0
XPDR 0
GEAR 1 1.0000
AAP 0:0 0:0 0:0
END
SH-01:ShuttleA
STATUS Landed Moon
BASE Brighton Beach:1
POS -33.4374996 41.1184067
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
XPDR 0
PODANGLE 0.0000 0.0000
DOCKSTATE 0 0.0000
AIRLOCK 0 0.0000
GEAR 0 0.0000
END
STS-136:Shuttle
STATUS Landed Earth
POS -80.6207770 28.6271840
AFCMODE 7
PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000
NAVFREQ 0 0
UMMUCREW Capt-Alejandro_Alcantarilla-17-70-70
UMMUCREW Ev1-Jose_Miguel-14-70-70
UMMUCREW Ev1-Ana_Isabel_Barrero_Alcant-12-70-70
UMMUCREW Vip-Mari_Carmen_Alcantarilla_-31-70-70
CONFIGURATION 0
OV- 105
RENDER
RMSARM
ODS
CARGODOOR 0 0.0000
KUBAND 0 0.0000
POSTLAND 0 0.0000
SSMES 0 0.0000
PETD 0 0.0000
SETD 0 0.0000
ARMTILT 0 0.0000 0 0.0000
GEAR 0 0.0000
ARM_STATUS 0.5000 0.0151 0.0162 0.5000 0.5000 0.5000
PL1_OFS 0.000000 -0.500000 0.500000
PL1_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL1_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
PL2_OFS 0.000000 0.000000 0.000000
PL2_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL2_ROT 1.000000 0.000000 0.000000
PL3_OFS -1.850000 1.800000 11.750000
PL3_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL3_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
PL4_OFS -2.200000 1.800000 -6.250000
PL4_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL4_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
PL5_OFS 2.200000 1.800000 -6.250000
PL5_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL5_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
PL6_OFS 1.850000 1.800000 11.750000
PL6_DIR 0.000000 1.000000 0.000000
PL6_ROT 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
KEEL_CAM 0.145000 -1.500000 -1.356000
CALLOUT
ASSIST 134.000000 90.000000
END
Unity:ISSR\Unity
STATUS Landed Earth
BASE Cape Canaveral:3
POS -80.6208900 28.6271740
ATTACHED 0:0,STS-136
AFCMODE 7
NAVFREQ 0 0
NODE 1
TC1 0 0.0000 1
TC2 0 0.0000 1
TC3 0 0.0000 1
TC4 0 0.0000 1
END
BayLightsBLights
STATUS Landed Earth
ATTACHED 0:15,STS-136
LIGHTS 0.10
ODS
DIALOG
END
RMSLight:RMSLight
STATUS Landed Earth
ATTACHED 0:16,STS-136
DIALOG
END
END_SHIPS

BEGIN_ExtMFD
END

#### ale131296

##### New member
Ok I did what you said but I didn't get what you said to me

#### ky

##### Director of Manned Spaceflight
That is because the forward slash is missing from the end code tag, it should be like this [/CODE]

#### ale131296

##### New member
YEES I did it. Well, where is my solution?

#### Cras

##### Spring of Life!
Donator
I honestly have no idea what you are even talking about. Automatic launch system? what is that?

Try not using time acceleration or something, I dunno. Or is your frame rate like 2 fps or something.

#### ale131296

##### New member
ALS is a system that puts the Shuttle automatically to a desired orbit. You put the heading of the launch and the apoapsis. When the Shuttle launches it rolls back and do its orbital insertion, but when the shuttle is heading to the desired orbit (in this scenario) its nose goes forward and begin to rotate without control like a crazy rocket.

---------- Post added at 12:09 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:08 AM ----------

I don't use time acceleration while launching because I know that it makes a lot of bugs

#### SolarLiner

##### It's necessary, TARS.
What he might think about is the built-in Shuttle Fleet Autopilot, where you can enter an azimuth and a desired apoapsis, and at liftoff, everything kicks in to Orbit.
Now this autopilot is having huge problems with Universal Cargo Deck. Don't ask me why, but it does nasty things to SF and make the autopilot end its pitch program at 30km.

#### ale131296

##### New member
No no. The problem begins at 0.5km when the shuttle does his roll maneuvre to head to the desired orbit and when that happens then the shuttle banks and began to rotate without control...Another solution is to delete the autopilot launch and launch it mannually but it's more difficult. You could fail with the desired apoapsis and the inclination etc...

#### Cras

##### Spring of Life!
Donator
Well, I fly Shuttle Fleet all the time. The only ways I have seen to break the launch autopilot is to either have the shuttle launch from an inappropriate heading to a launch azimuth that is too far, and thus the shuttle will waste a lot of energy rolling around and you will see a bad trajectory.

Or you use Universal Cargo Deck, like Solar Liner said, which causes for me the roll to heads up to just go nuts and become uncontrollable.

How are you activating the launch btw? Are you using the GPC MFD? by typing item 777, or are you doing something else. do you have a joystick or some other controller that is feeding roll signal to orbiter? I dunno, but whatever your problem is, it is pretty exotic, because like I said, I have used SF's launch autopilot many many many many times.

#### ale131296

##### New member
Well when I am ready to the launch I look for a launch window and when time is T-9 I do the start engine and at T-0 the Shuttle launches and then it automatically rolls and heads up but in this case it only rolls and heads DOWN and it crashes with the ground. That didn't happen the first time I tried the same launch but after almost TEN launches with the same configuration that error happened and it still happening since the first error in the automatic launch. This weekend I won't be online so I'll see your help on Monday. I'll answer it on Monday but I'll try to answer as soon as I can. Thanks for your help

#### ale131296

##### New member
Hello I'm here! Anybody could help me? Please I need help with this problem!!

#### SolarLiner

##### It's necessary, TARS.
Well. Do you MAINTAIN your thrust? If not, the SRB will apply a non-symmetric thrust force, thus acting as a pitch maneuver (similar to how thrust vectoring works) and will make the stack crash into the ground.

#### ale131296

##### New member
I push both buttons (Ctrl+ "+") till the engines are at full power and then I wait for the lift off and then I leave to push them and the Shuttle heads automatically and puts in orbit itself but in the case of this problem when it lifts off it goes at 0.5km and then falls down... It's strange but I thought that it could be due to the weight of the payload but that's not the problem

#### SolarLiner

##### It's necessary, TARS.
Do you use Universal Cargo Deck?

I think...yes

#### SolarLiner

##### It's necessary, TARS.
Then this is the whole center of your problem: Shuttle Fleet + Universal Cargo Deck = Nothing good.

The default attachment points are working great with Shuttle Fleet, you should try them out

#### Cras

##### Spring of Life!
Donator
Like it has been said, do not use UCD. Also, do not just throttle up. Activate the autopilot the proper way through the GPC MFD like I told you before. If it still happens, your installation is facocked, so re-install Shuttle Fleet and see if that fixes it.

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