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Photos A blogger strips down Energomash secrets
by SiberianTiger 12-26-2011, 08:03 PM

A female Russian blogger have visited "no trespassing" territory of Rocket Engine plant Energomash in Khimki for five nights in a row and taken pictures of everything she saw. The reason for that is that the plant's fence and guarded perimeter was tore down by "unidentified party" as the paper on its remains say and there was absolutely no guards inside the territory.

She was able to climb on top of exhaust pipe of the test rig, and walk inside the machinery used to test rocket engines.

The link to see the pictures:
http://lana-sator.livejournal.com/160176.html

Energomash produces engines for such prominent rocket families as Soyuz LV, Zenit, Proton, Angara and Atlas V.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:01 PM   #2
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Ugh! Is all of the equipment and buildings she photographed still in use? Some of that stuff looks horrible!
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 Ugh! Is all of the equipment and buildings she photographed still in use? Some of that stuff looks horrible!
Well, it's not their look which is horrible in this story for me.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:45 PM   #4
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Quite amazed anyone got in without getting shot?

In the UK we turn them into a tactical warfare range, and pretend its in East Germany, as was...

http://www.visitcumbria.com/car/gilsland-spadeadam.htm

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 Quite amazed anyone got in without getting shot?

In the UK we turn them into a tactical warfare range, and pretend its in East Germany, as was...

http://www.visitcumbria.com/car/gilsland-spadeadam.htm

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She wrote: "If security service of Energomash now wonders, how did we get inside, we simply entered an open door".

Also: "My heartiest thanks go to Energomash security department for utterly careless approach to guarding a plant trusted to them, and also for their Economical Security dept for their inability to sustain their sorrow about damage inflicted to such a nice property the Capital Perimeter Fence once used to be".

(the last sentence is a reference to contents of the paper sheet with a warning pinned in place of the torn down perimeter).
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:56 AM   #6
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Really strange, is that facility still in use?

Its very unusual for civilians to take any interest in these sort of sites in the UK. We did have the Greenham Common protest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenha...9;s_Peace_Camp

and some protests at the Faslane Naval Base
Faslane Peace Camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Faslane Peace Camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Fundamentally protesting about UK nuclear weapons.

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Old 12-27-2011, 09:16 AM   #7
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 Really strange, is that facility still in use?
Yes, it is. This picture was taken from afar in the beginning of December:



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 Its very unusual for civilians to take any interest in these sort of sites in the UK. We did have the Greenham Common protest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenham_Common_Women's_Peace_Camp

and some protests at the Faslane Naval Base
Faslane Peace Camp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fundamentally protesting about UK nuclear weapons.

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Absolutely no protest activity here. There are movements of "Diggers", "Stalkers", "Roofers" who take interest in getting into and studying up close objects of heavy industry, construction sites, subway, sewage channels, abandoned military installations, bomb shelters, Chernobyl zone, etc. That's a sort of extreme urban tourism. Mostly they are exploring abandoned objects, but sometimes live ones. They bring back many interesting pictures. They receive sullen looks from property owners, because vandals are often present in their rows.
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Intersting, nothing like that in the UK, not that I know of anyway. We have the usual history tourism to places like Stonehenge, Hadrians wall.
More modern museums like Beamish:
http://www.beamish.org.uk/areas-of-beamish/

A couple of organisations I know of, English Heritage and The National Trust do a lot of work preserving buildings and sites.

There was an interest in "Industrial Tourism" in the old heavy engineering areas of the UK, but I think the current economical state has dampened that down.
Health and Safety is a problem with old sites, and I would think any military sites are all no-go.

I wonder if the geography plays a part in this? Everyone knew that Spadeadam was testing rockets, you could see it from the roadside!
The DeHaviland factory was next to a busy road and their test rigs could easily be seen:
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...treak/Shed.jpg

Familiarity breeds contempt?

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Great pictures!

Some of the machinery looks a bit worn down, but heavy industry is always a rather messy, rusty business. Unfortunately I can't read the actual story, but I'd say the plant doesn't look that bad.

The security is another matter...
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Old 12-27-2011, 04:32 PM   #10
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Man, I would love to have the courage to do that. A friend of mine went to an old Cold-War era tracking station just outside of NYC, he brought back some really cool pictures.
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Parts of the plant look really unusable, and the other sections look like they were just closed for the weekend.

I would hope health and safety (aside from puddles of molten acid) are not really issues. Society is too concerned with controlling the safety of others to the point of everything being dumbed down.
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 Some of that stuff looks horrible!
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 Parts of the plant look really unusable
So, what exactly looks horrible in there, besides security?
I see a rather common industrial area that have been in use for some decades.
No garbage, excessive decay, blatantly unsafe engineering, etc.
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Old 12-28-2011, 12:46 PM   #13
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Russian paper "Izvestiya" has interviewed few officials about the topical story.

http://www.izvestia.ru/news/510947

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The FSS took interest in penetration of the bloggers into a classified company's territory.
Leadership of the manufacturer of rocket engines say they do not have the funds to repair the fence.

From last Monday all those involved in rocket and space topics are retelling each other the shocking story of illegal penetration into the territory of NGO "Energomash" in Khimki. Blogger nicknamed Lana Sator published in her "Live Journal" details with a photo report of her adventures at the testing complex objects owned by NGO "Energomash", where rocket engines undergo test firings.

Energomash produces liquid rocket engines for both civil rockets (backing into history from the early Soviet models - the R-1 and ending an emerging launch vehicle Angara), and for the military - they are put on such missiles as the R-36M, better known by its NATO alias SS-18 "Satan" as well as for its modifications. Therefore, Energomash has the status of special custodial company with a great level of secrecy associated with it.

Meanwhile, bloggers, according to their own comments to a photo report, infiltrated the enterprise seamlessly - through a section of perimeter where there was no fence. Also they did notice no guards, and no working alarms. Judging by the photo report, at the grounds of the test facility not a single door was even closed - the visitors have infiltrated all of their facilities, including a central control room, where the operator issues the command to run the engine, and to testing workplaces. In the comments, they say that they have been coming into the territory of the complex for five nights in a row and never met a single person, while watchdogs released to guard the premises were frightened on sight of visitors and hid.

The author of the photo report did not answer our E-mails with questions we sent her. NGO Energomash do not officially commented on the situation. The fact of the penetration of the territory of the test facility was confirmed only in the management of RSC "Energia" (from October 2010 RSC "Energia" is a management company for NPO "Energomash").

We are aware of intrusions. Unfortunately, such incidents occurred, said "Izvestia" senior vice president of RSC "Energia" Vladimir Osmolovsky. We work with the the company for just one year yet, and we just inherited this fence full of holes. Therefore, the entire perimeter had not yet been repaired. We are very sorry about what's happened, but to close the fence around, we need money, and the company now is not too well-off financially.

In "Roskosmos" nobody comments on the situation. Unofficially, a senior space agency told "Izvestia", what happened made a "strong impression" on the leadership, and that nobody in the office of Roscosmos can remember similar cases: "It's like Rust's flight with landing on the Red Square in 1987 - reveals a complete failure to guard anything."

According to a source in Roskosmos, the case is already investigated by the Federal Security Service in Moscow and Moscow region - the management of Energomash has already been called up there. And representatives of the 4th Prosector's Office for Supervision over Implementation of Laws on the Most Sensitive Sites of Moscow Region have visited the scene of the allegedly infiltrated test facility. But in the meantime law enforcement agencies are not very talkative: by the time of delivery of this article, we have not received any response for the FSS PR Center to our official inquiry, which was sent on 27 December in 11.20.

From previous visits to the NGO Energomash journalists of "Izvestia" gathered an impression that the company is protected vigorously. Passport number, license plane number, serial ids of cameras and camcorders are to be sent in advance through a letter with the official letterhead, signed by the chief editor. While in the assembly shop, a security agent keeps track what you are taking shots of. For example, last summer's "Izvestiya" was not allowed to take video recording of an interview with the enterprise's director in the usual meeting room, where a mode of operation with a state secret was fully complied with.

"This another example of the business leaders' slackitude is falling into a threatening pattern," Andrei Lugovoy, a member of State Duma Committee for security and corruption countering said. Those who have walked into the secret facility can only be brought to an administrative fine. But if because of their visit, a leak of classified information has taken place, the company's management should be put behind bars. The issue of ensuring security of the facilities of this level should be addressed at government level. We need to make sure that modern means of remote tracking, which signal penetration at a distance of 100 m, motion sensors, or special low-cost detectors, which are installed in the ground, must be used for perimeter protection."

Our source in Roskosmos believes that the criminal case against officials of NGOs "Energomash" is unlikely to be opened, because there is no defined affected party yet. "Although, there's much annoyance around this. By and large, now we need to take these yougsters and go with them along these routes with a dog and a specialist - to see whether or not anything is planted anywhere or damaged."

Vladimir Osmolovskiy assured "Izvestia", that despite not brilliant financial position of the NGO Energomash measures to protect the perimeter in the near future will be taken.
I guess the first thing they need is a braver breed of watchdogs.
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Dmitry Rogozin Dmitry Rogozin
, who have just recently been appointed deputy prime minister in charge of the defense complex (which involves space industry too), have left a remark in his twitter (https://twitter.com/#!/Rogozin/statu...97798068404224):

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"I will shut the mouse trap close. Both for the mice and for the lazy cats!"
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:09 PM   #15
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