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Old 12-13-2019, 10:50 PM   #1
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Default Orbiter Forum Migration to XenForo

It's been a little while in the making, but I'm finally ready to announce our migration to XenForo, as discussed at length in my last major announcement.


I've pulled everything needed for the migration into a Trello board, which you may peruse here to see how things are going:


https://trello.com/b/ljSnSuo4/orbite...foro-migration


I will announce a period of downtime shortly when the actual migration will take place (I have a card for that, too). Please join me in some excitement!
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Old 12-24-2019, 06:26 PM   #2
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Here is my question though. What are the advantages of XenForo as compared to this board?
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Old 12-24-2019, 07:44 PM   #3
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 Here is my question though. What are the advantages of XenForo as compared to this board?

  1. It's supported and backed by an active development community, meaning security fixes get shipped out in a timely fashion, which is a concern with our current version of vBulletin.
  2. It befits our use much, much more closely than vBulletin 4 or 5 do, and many of the features we have relied on outdated "hacks" or modifications for on this board are built-in features of XenForo.
  3. The modification ecosystem is significantly more active and healthy than the comparable vBulletin one.
  4. XenForo's support have already been much more quick to respond to my inquiries than the VB5 team.
  5. XenForo allows for a more programmatic approach to future developments I'm pushing forward for Orbiter Forum and OrbitHangar - developing a complete Single Sign On environment backed against modern oauth2 implementations with Orbiter Forum as the central auth provider, something not possible even with the latest version of vBulletin.
  6. It doesn't look like it was made in 1994.
I could go on, probably, but those are the main ones. Security and stability are paramount, and everything else is secondary, really.
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Old 12-24-2019, 09:22 PM   #4
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I never understood why 6 is considered a problem. Change the pipes, don't change the porcelain.
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Old 12-24-2019, 10:48 PM   #5
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 I never understood why 6 is considered a problem. Change the pipes, don't change the porcelain.
Amen. A post-2000-style UI is a huge turn-off for me when it appears in any software, for both aesthetic and ease-of-use reasons. But, at least as far as aesthetics is concerned, the two of us seem to be part of a very small minority, and although the fact that this forum attracts STEM-types means that people with our aesthetic preferences are probably overrepresented here compared to the general population, I'm not sure we're anywhere close to being a majority. At this point, I'm pretty much resigned to UI decay as a fact of life, even if I still hold out hope that, in the Linux sphere, someone will hostile-fork GTK2 and give us GTK 2+i.
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Old 12-25-2019, 11:01 AM   #6
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 But, at least as far as aesthetics is concerned, the two of us seem to be part of a very small minority, and although the fact that this forum attracts STEM-types means that people with our aesthetic preferences are probably overrepresented here compared to the general population, I'm not sure we're anywhere close to being a majority. At this point, I'm pretty much resigned to UI decay as a fact of life, even if I still hold out hope that, in the Linux sphere, someone will hostile-fork GTK2 and give us GTK 2+i.
Make that three. I also find "modern" designs disgusting, to say the least.

My hope is on some clever Jobs-type guy that sells the old style as innovative again, when the masses finally lost collective memory of usable UIs.

In the meantime, as long as the things I need are at least achievable, I can live with disgusting UIs. There are so many bad things I have to live with every day, one more is not making much difference.

Oh BTW: happy holidays!
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Old 01-05-2020, 08:45 PM   #7
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The UI design and layout is more pertinent than you might perhaps realise at first glance.

For one thing, modern design technologies are much more considerate to accessibility concerns, meaning users who are less able to consume a "traditional" text-on-screen format can still enjoy the content available. Some of this is in the colours being chosen, some is in the clean, HTML-5 based structural frontend components that modern adaptive screen readers expect. Scraping vBulletin 3 for content isn't much fun, because it doesn't lend itself to that activity particularly well - the actual important content isn't signposted for the screenreader at all, and it's well entrenched in a maze of nested tables that don't help.

In turn, said structural concepts make the frontend more relevant to today's development concepts, which eases the difficulty of maintaining them and keeping things secure. Given how complex browsers have become and how much access to the system they have, frontend web security is actually quite important too, and again this wasn't a particular design goal in 2003.

I will always prioritise function over form. But in the case of the frontend of a website, both are intrinsically linked, so it goes hand in hand.
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