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Old 10-23-2009, 05:49 PM   #1
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Here's a thread from the NASASpaceFlight.com forums containing a video that the DIRECT team put together. I watched it and found it interesting, so I thought I'd pass it along.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/ind...?topic=19211.0
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:18 PM   #2
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Quite a nationalistic video. Gives me the creeps.
Quite interesting though.

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Old 10-23-2009, 07:26 PM   #3
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The talk they use in the film, of Shuttle Derived Vehicle, doesn't necessarily mean Direct.
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Old 10-23-2009, 09:19 PM   #4
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Nationalistic, well sure... it is about our own nation's space program after all. I did sort of cringe at the comments about the Russian space program. I don't think anyone is "assaulting" us anymore in that department. Falling behind on your own progress does not constitute an assault by someone you view as a competitor.

Also the music sort of bugs me. They're trying to play on your emotions here. It's essentially propaganda.

All that aside, I think the more directly Shuttle derived system sounds like a good option as well. Nevertheless, what this video does ignore is the commercial sector, with companies like SpaceX getting ever closer to being able to perform some of the same tasks that the Shuttle is currently responsible for.

I think manned spaceflight is exciting and probably necessary to a certain degree, but with so many problems here on Earth, economic and otherwise, a government-run and -funded space program seems less and less important to me. That could just be the private businessman in me speaking though!
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Old 10-23-2009, 09:39 PM   #5
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The beginning of the video was shady... didn't the Cold War end quite some time ago? They talk as though Russia and China are going to nuke us at any moment.

Anyway, this video seems to be based on an emotional appeal, judging from the way music is utilized. ...Has anyone seen the movie, The Gift? I'm pretty sure this video took the liberty of borrowing some music.
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Old 10-23-2009, 10:44 PM   #6
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 The talk they use in the film, of Shuttle Derived Vehicle, doesn't necessarily mean Direct.
This is true, but given the team the video was developed by, I would assume the implication is for a DIRECT SD HLV, and if (and only if) that is no longer an option would they support another SD HLV implementation.

Anyway, yes, it was very much a play on emotions, and I wasn't a fan of that aspect by any means. It is hard, I have to admit, sorting out the fact from fiction when you listen to the DIRECT people, the Ares people, the NSC people, and on and on and on...
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:41 AM   #7
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Its called politics. Don't like it? Then don't care about Space because they are directly connected.

I am astonished by the reaction of some in this forum. Especially as many are you are fellow Americans. Do you have any idea how much of your tax money has been wasted by the goons who have run this "Safe Simple Soon" show?

Yes Direct is getting mean. Its about time they stopped acting like only numbers matter. ATK and others are masters at manipulating numbers and running with the money in my opinion. Then outright slandering Direct and its followers when NASA does not follow in lockstep.

BTW Geopolitical politics can change in an instant. There was talk of ending purchases of russian Soyuz seats during the conflict. A move that would have ended our presence on the ISS.

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 Quite a nationalistic video. Gives me the creeps.
Quite interesting though.
Its a USA only issue. Its highly doubtful Orion will even dock at the ISS before it is deorbited. And seats will only be offered by some sort of political move to carry astronauts from other nations to the moon.

Sorry to be very forward about that. But it is a very sensitive topic. We just endured more than half a decade of NASA leadership that was hellbent on ramming bad ideas into the picture and discouraging dissent.

Now our manned program future is in shambles. Shuttle simply cant fly any further past 2015 (And that will require HUGELY expensive steps) Ares is a Joke Orion is a not so funny joke that tries to fit on the joke that is Ares 1. Ares V is unlikely to be funded. Etc...
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Old 10-24-2009, 04:34 AM   #8
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I was not impressed by the Cold War-style attempts to dredge up some fear of the Reds. They've got a powerful argument on their side already, they're just demeaning themselves by resorting to that political smear campaign-level crap.

The Ares program is going nowhere, Ares I is nothing more than a glorified model rocket, and Ares V is still entirely on the drawing board. Direct offers a powerful, versatile, and quick-to-develop solution that doesn't require five or more years of no spaceflight at all and essentially giving up on the ISS.
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Old 10-24-2009, 04:50 AM   #9
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Direct is not gaining any ground with pansy number throwing that ATK and crew take and spin to pete knows where.

They have to get political and get to the core of the issue. Things may appear bright and easy to see on a space forum. But out in RL all people hear about are Jobs and stay the course and all that crap.
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Old 10-24-2009, 02:27 PM   #10
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I didn't look the entire video. The beginning tells that this is a bigoted individual story of emotions and opinions. Nothing of significance. Nothing of objectivity. If that's really from the DIRECT team, from now on I seriously doubt that the team consists of serious NASA people, or at least, I can quite understand why NASA does not involve certain persons in its decisions.

I don't think it is a good idea to start making propaganda by starting to become nationalistic and predict a dark future. They're going to lose credit but just gain compliance of persons who don't have to say anything of importance in the real business I think. I don't agree with them from the beginning and I won't help making their video "go viral" for youtube and facebook kids. It seems they turn into a playschool, full of defiant kids.

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Old 10-24-2009, 02:41 PM   #11
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The beginning tells that this is a bigoted individual story of emotions and opinions.
No offence, but pretty much all of the comments you've made on the subject are mostly opinion and emotion.

I too did not watch the entire video, but what I did see disappointed me. Nationalistic doom-views are never constructive.
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Old 10-24-2009, 02:55 PM   #12
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 I too did not watch the entire video, but what I did see disappointed me. Nationalistic doom-views are never constructive.
Well, why not? Another name for them is a driving spirit of competition.
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:15 PM   #13
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 No offence, but pretty much all of the comments you've made on the subject are mostly opinion and emotion.
It is basically a realization that, by proper funding, Constellation and the Ares launchers is the right path for the manned future of a space agency like NASA. But my little forum voice is insignificant and NASA already has chosen its right path anyway. But the voices of the DIRECT team members are not insignificant to some degree. They're now trying to reach a lot of people with their nationalistic end-time-mood opinions about NASA, since their earlier "friendly" tries of convincing responsible persons did not work. If I'd be a responsable person at NASA, and if I would find out who is behind DIRECT and works for NASA and does that kind of inappropriate anti-propaganda, I'd write letters of dismissal. The mutual trust is disturbed. It is not possible to work together in the long term under such circumstances.
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:21 PM   #14
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You underestimate the power of the masses, and thier affect on politicians. How do you think Enterprise got it's name?
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:40 PM   #15
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 You underestimate the power of the masses, and thier affect on politicians. How do you think Enterprise got it's name?
NASA officials were threatened by trekkies with phasers?
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