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**jarmonik** · 01-28-2015, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poscik

Hi Jarmo!

Just tried to play with nVidia 3D Vision and my 42'' LG Tv. It looks like nVidia don't want to work with d3d9 client. This is what I did:

Any thoughts?

R15 May have been compiled without nVidia API. Also, It looks like there is a similar API available for AMD-ATI cards as well.

Does this one work ? It's for Orbiter 2010-P1.

EDIT: Check the D3D9ClientLog if it's not working.

Poscik · 01-28-2015, 06:15 PM

Thanks. It partially worked, as I can see loading screen now. But scene still doesn't appear. I see some errors in log, related pretty much to hardware or wrong settings (maybe too much MSAA?).

D3D9ClientLog.zip

Frankynov · 01-28-2015, 07:36 PM

I can not resist to post some pictures of the water rendering, that is GORGEOUS !

Although the FPS indicator shows crazy values (between 170 and even 600 FPS), I encounter a lot of micro freezes while flying above the water (using an AMD R9 280 3GB)

Also, I don't remember if I correctly had installed the Mars textures, but I get this strange bug near Mars:

DX7 immediatly crashes when I get close to Mars so I suspect a problem on my Orbiter installation

fort · 01-28-2015, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankynov

I can not resist to post some pictures of the water rendering, that is GORGEOUS !

Yes and no. On the seas parts, Atlantique or elsewhere, yes ( but the waves are maybe a little bit contrasted ). On lakes ( i'm thinking to Canaveral for example or on others places like that ) the waves seems irrealist ).

**jarmonik** · 01-29-2015, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poscik

Thanks. It partially worked, as I can see loading screen now. But scene still doesn't appear. I see some errors in log, related pretty much to hardware or wrong settings (maybe too much MSAA?).

Have you tried "a true fullscreen" mode ?

I don't really have time to start investigating a stereoscopic issues right now. So, I think it's up to you to figure out why TestCooperativeLevel() fails and what's wrong with GetRenderTargetData().

---------- Post added at 04:03 ---------- Previous post was at 03:52 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankynov

Although the FPS indicator shows crazy values (between 170 and even 600 FPS), I encounter a lot of micro freezes while flying above the water (using an AMD R9 280 3GB)

That's likely due to loading of a new surface tiles. It should have nothing to do with water rendering. I am trying to find solutions to improve the loading of new tiles, but so far, my efforts have failed. The question is: what is causing the main rendering thread to stall/freeze ?

---------- Post added at 04:04 ---------- Previous post was at 04:03 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by fort

Yes and no. On the seas parts, Atlantique or elsewhere, yes ( but the waves are maybe a little bit contrasted ). On lakes ( i'm thinking to Canaveral for example or on others places like that ) the waves seems irrealist ).

There's no-way to separate/identify lakes from an oceans. So, we need a solution that fits them both.

Poscik · 01-29-2015, 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarmonik

Have you tried "a true fullscreen" mode ?

I don't really have time to start investigating a stereoscopic issues right now. So, I think it's up to you to figure out why TestCooperativeLevel() fails and what's wrong with GetRenderTargetData().

Yes, I'm running true full screen. I'll check rest of modes today, and also with 1280x720 as client is compiled with nvidia api now.

Abloheet · 01-30-2015, 02:42 PM

The water rendering system is too gorgeous. It is a dream come true.

One question, why can't I enable sunlight postprocessing?
What are the custom cameras? I never saw that before.
What does environment mapping(reflection mode) do, btw? The lod tile flickering occurs because of that.

In original dx7 inline orbiter, I can enable EQAA by forcing it from Catalyst Control Centre. Even if I try to force enable EQAA from the Catalyst Control Centre, dx9 orbiter still runs at 8xMSAA. Any idea how to force it?
My gpu is r9 270x 2gb

DaveS · 01-31-2015, 04:59 AM

How can I increase the power of specular reflections using a spec map? I have tried everything I can think of, and yet this remains pretty much the strongest. If needed, I can provide all the files from troubleshooting.

**jarmonik** · 01-31-2015, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveS

How can I increase the power of specular reflections using a spec map? I have tried everything I can think of, and yet this remains pretty much the strongest. If needed, I can provide all the files from troubleshooting.

Currently the maximum power is set to 255 (Line 100 in Vessel.fx)

There was a release a while back where the specular map was modulated with a specular material setting which allowed a power up to 1000.

---------- Post added at 08:32 ---------- Previous post was at 08:23 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abloheet

a) One question, why can't I enable sunlight postprocessing?
b) What are the custom cameras? I never saw that before.
c) What does environment mapping(reflection mode) do, btw? The lod tile flickering occurs because of that.

a) Not yet implemented, used for developers only.
b) Docking and payload-bay cameras, not yet used by any add-ons. (Operational in 2010-P1)
c) You can see things like the Earth reflecting from a windows and other reflective surfaces. (Operational in 2010-P1, and an add-ons need to support it in order to benefit from it)

Matias Saibene · 02-01-2015, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarmonik

b) Docking and payload-bay cameras, not yet used by any add-ons. (Operational in 2010-P1)

The XR5 Vanguard has cameras in the cargo bay and docking port.

Marg · 02-01-2015, 09:17 AM

It's a pity that most addons do not work properly in the new BETA. Seems to me typically there is a landing point problem, obviously something was changed in Orbiter in this area.
I launched Atlantis manually, looking down from SRB booster (like in onboard camera), water reflections down were impressive, then spent all the time until "splashdown", watching approaching water.
I think waves look very OK even in Banana river, only smallest basins look a bit odd, but overall it is a solution which fits both oceans and rivers, as Jarmonik wrote.

fort · 02-01-2015, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marg

I think waves look very OK even in Banana river, only smallest basins look a bit odd, but overall it is a solution which fits both oceans and rivers, as Jarmonik wrote.

I wiil try others textures that i have on my hard drive that could do a better effect on rivers and little surfaces and fit oceans too. I have also to learn to make bump map. I'll see.

**Ripley** · 02-01-2015, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marg

It's a pity that most addons do not work properly in the new BETA...

As you wrote, the Beta is still (very) new. Just give it time.

**jarmonik** · 02-03-2015, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fort

I wiil try others textures that i have on my hard drive that could do a better effect on rivers and little surfaces and fit oceans too. I have also to learn to make bump map. I'll see.

It would be great to have a better water map. The current map is made quickly with a few brush strokes just to test the rendering.

fort · 02-03-2015, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarmonik

It would be great to have a better water map. The current map is made quickly with a few brush strokes just to test the rendering.

I've made some test last days but i need two or three real free days, maybe during the holydays in february, to look at that closer. I'll like for example to see if it will be better to work with textures showing shop or swell ( en français: clapot, houle ) rather than waves ( but for sure, your waves are really nice near the beaches ). And i know that one can't have both.

01-30-2015, 02:42 PM	#3067
Abloheet Addon Developer	Good Job! The water rendering system is too gorgeous. It is a dream come true. One question, why can't I enable sunlight postprocessing? What are the custom cameras? I never saw that before. What does environment mapping(reflection mode) do, btw? The lod tile flickering occurs because of that. In original dx7 inline orbiter, I can enable EQAA by forcing it from Catalyst Control Centre. Even if I try to force enable EQAA from the Catalyst Control Centre, dx9 orbiter still runs at 8xMSAA. Any idea how to force it? My gpu is r9 270x 2gb

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01-28-2015, 06:15 PM	#3062
Poscik Addon Developer	Thanks. It partially worked, as I can see loading screen now. But scene still doesn't appear. I see some errors in log, related pretty much to hardware or wrong settings (maybe too much MSAA?). D3D9ClientLog.zip

01-28-2015, 07:36 PM	#3063
Frankynov Orbinaut	I can not resist to post some pictures of the water rendering, that is GORGEOUS ! Although the FPS indicator shows crazy values (between 170 and even 600 FPS), I encounter a lot of micro freezes while flying above the water (using an AMD R9 280 3GB) Also, I don't remember if I correctly had installed the Mars textures, but I get this strange bug near Mars: DX7 immediatly crashes when I get close to Mars so I suspect a problem on my Orbiter installation

01-28-2015, 10:05 PM	#3064
fort Orbinaut	Quote: Originally Posted by Frankynov I can not resist to post some pictures of the water rendering, that is GORGEOUS ! Yes and no. On the seas parts, Atlantique or elsewhere, yes ( but the waves are maybe a little bit contrasted ). On lakes ( i'm thinking to Canaveral for example or on others places like that ) the waves seems irrealist ).

01-29-2015, 02:04 AM	#3065
jarmonik Beta Tester	Quote: Originally Posted by Poscik Thanks. It partially worked, as I can see loading screen now. But scene still doesn't appear. I see some errors in log, related pretty much to hardware or wrong settings (maybe too much MSAA?). Have you tried "a true fullscreen" mode ? I don't really have time to start investigating a stereoscopic issues right now. So, I think it's up to you to figure out why TestCooperativeLevel() fails and what's wrong with GetRenderTargetData(). ---------- Post added at 04:03 ---------- Previous post was at 03:52 ---------- Quote: Originally Posted by Frankynov Although the FPS indicator shows crazy values (between 170 and even 600 FPS), I encounter a lot of micro freezes while flying above the water (using an AMD R9 280 3GB) That's likely due to loading of a new surface tiles. It should have nothing to do with water rendering. I am trying to find solutions to improve the loading of new tiles, but so far, my efforts have failed. The question is: what is causing the main rendering thread to stall/freeze ? ---------- Post added at 04:04 ---------- Previous post was at 04:03 ---------- Quote: Originally Posted by fort Yes and no. On the seas parts, Atlantique or elsewhere, yes ( but the waves are maybe a little bit contrasted ). On lakes ( i'm thinking to Canaveral for example or on others places like that ) the waves seems irrealist ). There's no-way to separate/identify lakes from an oceans. So, we need a solution that fits them both.

01-29-2015, 08:03 AM	#3066
Poscik Addon Developer	Quote: Originally Posted by jarmonik Have you tried "a true fullscreen" mode ? I don't really have time to start investigating a stereoscopic issues right now. So, I think it's up to you to figure out why TestCooperativeLevel() fails and what's wrong with GetRenderTargetData(). Yes, I'm running true full screen. I'll check rest of modes today, and also with 1280x720 as client is compiled with nvidia api now.

01-31-2015, 04:59 AM	#3068
DaveS Addon Developer	How can I increase the power of specular reflections using a spec map? I have tried everything I can think of, and yet this remains pretty much the strongest. If needed, I can provide all the files from troubleshooting.

01-31-2015, 06:32 AM	#3069
jarmonik Beta Tester	Quote: Originally Posted by DaveS How can I increase the power of specular reflections using a spec map? I have tried everything I can think of, and yet this remains pretty much the strongest. If needed, I can provide all the files from troubleshooting. Currently the maximum power is set to 255 (Line 100 in Vessel.fx) There was a release a while back where the specular map was modulated with a specular material setting which allowed a power up to 1000. ---------- Post added at 08:32 ---------- Previous post was at 08:23 ---------- Quote: Originally Posted by Abloheet a) One question, why can't I enable sunlight postprocessing? b) What are the custom cameras? I never saw that before. c) What does environment mapping(reflection mode) do, btw? The lod tile flickering occurs because of that. a) Not yet implemented, used for developers only. b) Docking and payload-bay cameras, not yet used by any add-ons. (Operational in 2010-P1) c) You can see things like the Earth reflecting from a windows and other reflective surfaces. (Operational in 2010-P1, and an add-ons need to support it in order to benefit from it)

02-01-2015, 04:21 AM	#3070
Matias Saibene Orbinaut	Quote: Originally Posted by jarmonik b) Docking and payload-bay cameras, not yet used by any add-ons. (Operational in 2010-P1) The XR5 Vanguard has cameras in the cargo bay and docking port.

02-01-2015, 09:17 AM	#3071
Marg Orbinaut	It's a pity that most addons do not work properly in the new BETA. Seems to me typically there is a landing point problem, obviously something was changed in Orbiter in this area. I launched Atlantis manually, looking down from SRB booster (like in onboard camera), water reflections down were impressive, then spent all the time until "splashdown", watching approaching water. I think waves look very OK even in Banana river, only smallest basins look a bit odd, but overall it is a solution which fits both oceans and rivers, as Jarmonik wrote.

02-01-2015, 10:34 AM	#3072
fort Orbinaut	Quote: Originally Posted by Marg I think waves look very OK even in Banana river, only smallest basins look a bit odd, but overall it is a solution which fits both oceans and rivers, as Jarmonik wrote. I wiil try others textures that i have on my hard drive that could do a better effect on rivers and little surfaces and fit oceans too. I have also to learn to make bump map. I'll see.

02-01-2015, 10:51 AM	#3073
Ripley Tutorial translator	Quote: Originally Posted by Marg It's a pity that most addons do not work properly in the new BETA... As you wrote, the Beta is still (very) new. Just give it time.

02-03-2015, 10:42 AM	#3074
jarmonik Beta Tester	Quote: Originally Posted by fort I wiil try others textures that i have on my hard drive that could do a better effect on rivers and little surfaces and fit oceans too. I have also to learn to make bump map. I'll see. It would be great to have a better water map. The current map is made quickly with a few brush strokes just to test the rendering.

02-03-2015, 12:28 PM	#3075
fort Orbinaut	Quote: Originally Posted by jarmonik It would be great to have a better water map. The current map is made quickly with a few brush strokes just to test the rendering. I've made some test last days but i need two or three real free days, maybe during the holydays in february, to look at that closer. I'll like for example to see if it will be better to work with textures showing shop or swell ( en français: clapot, houle ) rather than waves ( but for sure, your waves are really nice near the beaches ). And i know that one can't have both.