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Old 05-15-2019, 01:33 AM   #406
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Yes - they can't be grappled or "docked" to the pallet / EVA astronaut. I guess, what I'm wondering is if the mission is doable - as in recapturing the errant sattelites and returning them to earth as in the real mission.

Thanks - just asking.
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Old 05-16-2019, 09:39 AM   #407
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So those are operated via PLyon.







Code:
It's activated with shift-P

The MFD shows what vessel is selected, his parent, and the selected attachment (and sub-vessel if there is one)
You can change the view between attachments with shift-Q and shift-A. You can select the parent (go up) with shift-W and the sub-vessel (go down) with shift-S.
You can attach, release, create and destroy sub-vessels in the selected attachment.

Also if the sub-vessel is a Pylon, you can set, increment and decrement the selected parameter (shift-V, shift-N, shift-B). The meaning of each operation depends on the Pylon module. You select different parameters with shift-Z and shift-X. If you pass off the number of parameters you will select a sequence, if there is any. Sequences are executed with shift-N and cancelled with shift-B.

If the selected vessel is a pylon, you can also select beyond its attachments (with Q or A) and access to its own parameters ans sequences.

Keys:

W: Go up in the structure of attachments.
S: Go down through the selected attachment in the structure of attachments.
Q: Select previous attachment
A: Select next attachment
C: Create an object in a free attachment. Vessel name and class (vessel:class) is queried
R: Release vessel in the attachment. Release velocity is queried.
D: Destroy object in attachment. Confirmation is queried.
T: Attach an existing vessel to the selected attachment. Name of the vessel is queried. (In future versions this will be replaced by a more realistic reattach operation)

Z: Select previous pylon parameter / sequence
X: Select next pylon parameter / sequence
N: Increment parameter/execute sequence
B: Decrement parameter/cancel sequence
V: Set parameter value (value is queried)

F: Change focus to the selected vessel
This is what I have for pylon
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Tj...sqD1ctnpLHxHgz

So did this work in 2010/2006? I am not sure how it was to work?


https://historycollection.jsc.nasa.g..._Press_Kit.pdf

So we need an eva guy to grap the satellite grap device.

---------- Post added 05-16-19 at 04:39 AM ---------- Previous post was 05-15-19 at 04:42 AM ----------

So Pylon basically moves. interacts with the attachment points. So for sts51A to work you need a way to attach the stinger to the mmu, stinger to sat. RMS to stinger,......

mmu to stinger


But when I attached the rms to the stinger the MMU became detach

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Old 05-16-2019, 12:13 PM   #408
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That's probably okay since your astronaut can go put the A frame on top. And I could be wrong but I don't think it worked in 2010 (at least, I never got it to).

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Old 05-16-2019, 12:40 PM   #409
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Ok. I played around some with Plyon. I could get it to read the attachments, I could release. But that was it.

So what if we bypass pylon altogether and use VB! or sc3.

It looks like a llot of work aka reality. So you eva guy out. you attach an mmu you get the stinger and attach. Fly to the sat and attach it and then use the rms to attach and bring it to the bay,

So what if I made a new eva guy no MMU a little rcs for movement. I would use the Donamy's mesh that is the same as the HST_ex guys.

then either make an attachment for the MMu or press a key and the MMu appears?

Right now the shuttle has only 1 eva guy. So I may make a window foe eva. Allow 4 eva guys?
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Old 05-16-2019, 01:11 PM   #410
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3 was the most ever on 49.
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Old 05-16-2019, 01:16 PM   #411
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So 3 eva guys. It might be nice to read the name from the scn and name the evaguy that. But that maybe too much.

Let me get a eva vessel working. Donamy guy has a lot of joints. I may make a window for that?
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Old 05-17-2019, 12:45 AM   #412
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Would be super if that works. I'm at a loss with Pylon.
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:52 AM   #413
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Well I can get the mmu to grap the stinger. And the stinger to grap the sat.

BUT when I attach the rms to the stinger the mmu does not come it?
Code:
MMUNEW:SHUTTLEMMUNEW
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 4383970.507 -1302691.528 -4804007.624
  RVEL 4895.3436 -3027.0971 5230.7190
  AROT -104.897 -63.943 -174.169
  VROT -0.0827 0.0000 -0.0023
  RCSMODE 2
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.996799
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  GUY 1 
END
STINGER1:STINGER
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 4383971.736 -1302692.460 -4804007.533
  RVEL 4895.3436 -3027.0971 5230.7190
  AROT -104.897 -63.943 -174.169
  VROT -0.0827 0.0000 -0.0023
  ATTACHED 0:0,MMUNEW
  AFCMODE 7
  NAVFREQ 0 0
END
Code:
PALAPA-B2-R:STS_PAYLOADS\HS-376
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 4383973.193 -1302692.896 -4804007.674
  RVEL 4895.3436 -3027.0971 5230.7190
  AROT -104.897 -63.943 -84.169
  VROT -0.0000 -0.0827 -0.0023
  ATTACHED 1:0,STINGER1
  AFCMODE 7
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  RCS 1
  CTRL_SURFACE 1
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
Code:
; === Configuration file for vessel class Adapter ===
ClassName = STINGER
Module = STINGER

BEGIN_ATTACHMENT
P -0.28 -0.20 -0.64  0 0 1  0 1 0 XS ;TO PAYLOAD BAY/MMU
P .526 -0 -0.281  0 1 0  1 0 0 GS ;rms TO SATELLITE
END_ATTACHMENT


after rms attach:
Code:
PALAPA-B2-R:STS_PAYLOADS\HS-376
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 5299082.874 -1913818.583 -3519181.129
  RVEL 3447.5060 -2543.6208 6476.7658
  AROT -73.878 -61.978 -112.488
  ATTACHED 1:0,STINGER1
  AFCMODE 7
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  RCS 1
  CTRL_SURFACE 1
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
MMUNEW:SHUTTLEMMUNEW
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 5299203.223 -1913842.773 -3519475.216
  RVEL 3447.8047 -2543.6988 6476.3610
  AROT -63.616 -59.282 148.584
  VROT -0.0987 0.0000 -0.0027
  RCSMODE 2
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.996799
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  GUY 1 
END
STINGER1:STINGER
  STATUS Orbiting Earth
  RPOS 5299081.441 -1913818.107 -3519181.358
  RVEL 3447.5060 -2543.6208 6476.7658
  AROT -73.878 -61.978 157.512
  ATTACHED 1:1,STS-51A
  AFCMODE 7
  NAVFREQ 0 0
END

now the mmu guy isn't attached to anything?
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Old 05-17-2019, 04:10 PM   #414
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 So try this for the HST_ex. On all these updates I try to put into different folders so SF or payloads remains the same.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=18L...1115Wcvlf2FffO

So on the guidance. First I am not a shuttle guy. so the guidance files may need to be looked at.

So should the basic shuttle guidance just be the orbit,main engine start,inverse in all and then jettison(MECO)?


I didn't see the reverse command.

---------- Post added at 05:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 04:49 AM ----------

So from the press kit. I did notice the MECo aka Jettison time is way wrong.

But what should the guidance file look like?

Hello "gattispilot"
So for STS-31 can you correct the position of HST in the cargo hold:
It is located closer to the cockpit of the Shuttle.




Now concerning the file "GUIDANCE" below the result of my tests:

In reality the Shuttle had to finish the circularization of its orbit with the engines of the OMS.
In the case of STS-31 the orbit reached after MECO and the ET drop is 325 x 27 Km.





Thanks to OMS the final orbit achieved by DISCOVERY was 330 x310 Km (the highest reached by a Shuttle).

With the "GUIDANCE" file referenced "ET", the autopilot (MultiStage2015) is disabled when "ET" is dropped.

So we have to finalize our orbit in manual ...
Where to cheat a little bit with the file "GUIDANCE" is to give him directly the final orbit to reach: 330 x 310.

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Old 05-17-2019, 06:56 PM   #415
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You have to make the stinger, the parent to both the satellite and EMUguy. Or make the RMS grapple a "dummy" attachment on the EVAguy, that lines up with the Grapple fixture of the stinger.
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Old 05-18-2019, 11:37 AM   #416
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 You have to make the stinger, the parent to both the satellite and EMUguy. Or make the RMS grapple a "dummy" attachment on the EVAguy, that lines up with the Grapple fixture of the stinger.
Thanks. but that mean the mmu couldn't grap the stinger. So I will try the dummy attachment.


On the HST
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jR...X3pkf-w51bwlhw





So on the guidance I have this:
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-30.000 =orbit(601.9,574.12,28.45,-1)
-6.0 =engine(0,100,6)
3.0 =engine(100,100,1.00)
30.0 =engine(100,72.00,5.00)
55.0 =engine(72.0,100,5.00)
120.0 =inverse()
531.0=jettison()

One thing to remember the orbit in the press kits is in n.m. (nautical miles) and ms2015 is in KM. this should be 325 x 310 nm


I also fixed the ini for sts61 it had the wrong shuttle mesh

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Old 05-18-2019, 03:21 PM   #417
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Hello "gattispilot"
For STS-31 It would be necessary to modify the line of the file "GUIDANCE", because the value of the time in seconds is not correct, the reversal of the Shuttle took place with T + 4 mn 6 sec = 246



For STS-61
We must add the line:
246.0 = inverse ()
I did not find the details of the flight of STS-61 with the exact time of the turnaround of the Shuttle, but the phase takes place is almost in the same period I suppose.



Concerning the STS-31 scenario, you must modify the line concerning the .ini file




HST is in place now
thanks again
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Old 05-18-2019, 05:23 PM   #418
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Thanks. try this:
I noticed the rms arm wasn't in the sts61 scn.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=17y...XIG0XIEPpTLZw0
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:05 PM   #419
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Wait, but if this "inverse" is about "roll to heads up" it did not happen until around 1997...
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Old 05-18-2019, 09:54 PM   #420
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 Thanks. try this:
I noticed the rms arm wasn't in the sts61 scn.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=17y...XIG0XIEPpTLZw0
Thank you "Gattispilot"
I had the .zip "hstex2016.4"
but not 2016.3 do you miss an update ??
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