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Old 10-24-2009, 04:45 PM   #16
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Old 10-25-2009, 04:59 PM   #17
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And it satisfied everyone enough that no one cared it didn't fly in orbit. Which shows the have a lot of power, but are easy to satisfiy.
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Old 10-25-2009, 05:05 PM   #18
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Oh, I see what they did there. This video is not for us, it is for Joe Sixpack, the same Joe Sixpack who was scared into supporting the war on Irak and got laid off from GM, and while supportive of the government but not of its officials and who might remember the Reagan red scares of his youth, so he will be moved into sending a letter to his representative.

That is, the kind of person who can't understand the numbers (even if he would agree with them if he could) but hopefully can do *something* about this whole issue. Assuming that most of the people who can understand and can do something are either locked into CxP by interests, or fragmented all over the place between the options (including CxP because they just don't wanna admit their hero has mud feet), I wouldn't say DIRECT is stooping to a new low - DIRECT is opening a new battlefront. Welcome to the world of politics, something it had valiantly tried to avoid before, but you cannot be the only waterboy in a world of dragons.

That said, I think that, under that perspective, the political/public relations intonation of the video is brilliant, except for the little fact tha Joe Sixpack can barely sit for a 30 seconds ad, let alone an almost 20 long minute infomercial. In that it fails miserably.


Ah, and Moonwalker, "anti-propaganda"? "Letters of dismissal"? WTF dude, are you George Abbey or something? That's precisely why NASA HSF has been reduced to a sad mess since the start of the shuttle program, what brought us Challenger AND Columbia and all the trouble with CxP, because when people wanted to say that there was a problem, the big wigs either didn't listen or made them pay for saying something they didn't want to hear. That's precisely what kills "mutual trust." And astronauts.
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Old 10-25-2009, 05:13 PM   #19
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 This video is not for us, it is for Joe Sixpack...
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:06 AM   #20
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 It is basically a realization that, by proper funding, Constellation and the Ares launchers is the right path for the manned future of a space agency like NASA. But my little forum voice is insignificant and NASA already has chosen its right path anyway. But the voices of the DIRECT team members are not insignificant to some degree. They're now trying to reach a lot of people with their nationalistic end-time-mood opinions about NASA, since their earlier "friendly" tries of convincing responsible persons did not work. If I'd be a responsable person at NASA, and if I would find out who is behind DIRECT and works for NASA and does that kind of inappropriate anti-propaganda, I'd write letters of dismissal. The mutual trust is disturbed. It is not possible to work together in the long term under such circumstances.
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Already chosen the right path? You mean the one that involves a launcher that is more expensive and can launch less into orbit with more risk? The one where Ares V has no chance in hell of being funded.

In my opinion you do not understand US politics as well as I do. Pansy number pushing does not work here and I HIGHLY doubt that is different in your nation as well. Emotion wins period. Do people care that solar can reduce the max load on the grid helping to reduce the chance of blackouts? Nope! But cute polar bears? PANIC!!!! Greenwash everything!

BTW You don't just hunt down and fire a person for expressing his 1st Amendment rights. And NASA is owned by the taxpayers and cant just decide those who are against the buzz must go. Mutual trust? You mean running a shop that stiffles ideas and free thought? Thanks but no
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