Project Orbiter MMU (oMMU) development thread - Page 4 - Orbiter-Forum

**BenSisko** · 04-04-2018, 11:32 AM

Woo482, any updates?

**Loru** · 04-04-2018, 11:43 AM

I'm working on meshes ATM

**Woo482** · 04-04-2018, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenSisko

Woo482, any updates?

I've made some progress, but it's a busy time of year (I have two assignments, a project proposal and 5 exams due

) so there's been a larger delay than I would've hoped for, apologies. As of now the main crew management API is done, I'm just working on the oMMUs themselves - Orbiter 2016's touchdown points have made smooth ground movement somewhat complicated so that has been a hold up, but progress is being made there.

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Well, progress may be too loose a term - it works perfectly at high time accelerations at least

2018 03 16 02 04 54 - YouTube

jedidia · 04-04-2018, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Orbiter 2016's touchdown points have made smooth ground movement somewhat complicated so that has been a hold up, but progress is being made there.

Ha, tell me about it!

gattispilot · 04-04-2018, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedidia

Ha, tell me about it!

me Too!!!

I don't think it can be perfect.

**BenSisko** · 04-04-2018, 08:40 PM

Woo,
No apologies necessary! Real life is real life!! I can wait until Tuesday

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I just watched the video, that oMMu is really movin'. I think you've made the Flash

gattispilot · 06-14-2018, 01:44 PM

Any updates? I finally got my LER to drive. now it needs a crew.

**Woo482** · 06-14-2018, 07:40 PM

Sorry, I've been busy and haven't had the time to work on it properly - I'll have a look at how far along it currently is and put together a proper status update over the weekend.

4throck · 06-14-2018, 11:34 PM

No rush, but it would be great to have it....

I have Orion+Altair for 2016 working reasonably well, and some moon EVAs would be great.
It would also integrate well with the LER.

So oMMU is greatly anticipated !

**Urwumpe** · 06-15-2018, 07:35 AM

Will be with a GPL compatible license, so we could include it in SSU as well?

jedidia · 06-15-2018, 09:01 AM

I don't think there's any GPL-compatible closed-source licenses...

**Face** · 06-15-2018, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwumpe

Will be with a GPL compatible license, so we could include it in SSU as well?

AFAIK, WooMMu will be closed source, so you can't link to it in plain GPL code. However, you could perhaps implement the WooMMu linking part as a separate module licensed with something like MIT, that offers functions via "operating system" channels like clbkGeneric. In other words: load it as module, let it interact with your GPL-vessels only via Orbiter.

Sure, this might ignite the discussion whether or not Orbiter is even the "operating system" for the GPL-vessels to start with, but we have another thread for that. If you are seeing GPL vessels as linkable to Orbiter, the above method should be as compatible as it gets.

**Urwumpe** · 06-15-2018, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Face

Sure, this might ignite the discussion whether or not Orbiter is even the "operating system" for the GPL-vessels to start with, but we have another thread for that. If you are seeing GPL vessels as linkable to Orbiter, the above method should be as compatible as it gets.

Yeah, exactly, that would be a possible workaround. But still, I had to ask there, for avoiding annoying discussions what a system dependency is in our case, because if we extend the definition in our application to other Orbiter add-ons, I fear to open a really bad can of worms there.

Its much easier to develop closed-source add-ons and just don't give a damn.

**Face** · 06-15-2018, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwumpe

Its much easier to develop closed-source add-ons and just don't give a damn.

Indeed it is, as sad a conclusion that might be for the Orbiter community. If the SSU project needs some help with the above mentioned work-around (and a similar thing for XRSound), I'm willing to help, though. The described code would be so trivial to do that I wouldn't have a problem contributing it as MIT code to SSU.

**Urwumpe** · 06-15-2018, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Face

Indeed it is, as sad a conclusion that might be for the Orbiter community. If the SSU project needs some help with the above mentioned work-around (and a similar thing for XRSound), I'm willing to help, though. The described code would be so trivial to do that I wouldn't have a problem contributing it as MIT code to SSU.

I'll see, when it oMMU is close enough to release. Maybe everything will look different than compared to today.

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04-04-2018, 11:32 AM	#46
BenSisko Donator	Woo482, any updates?

04-04-2018, 11:43 AM	#47
Loru Moderator	I'm working on meshes ATM

04-04-2018, 03:19 PM	#49
jedidia shoemaker without legs	Quote: Orbiter 2016's touchdown points have made smooth ground movement somewhat complicated so that has been a hold up, but progress is being made there. Ha, tell me about it!

04-04-2018, 08:26 PM	#50
gattispilot Addon Developer	Quote: Originally Posted by jedidia Ha, tell me about it! me Too!!! I don't think it can be perfect.

04-04-2018, 08:40 PM	#51
BenSisko Donator	Woo, No apologies necessary! Real life is real life!! I can wait until Tuesday ---------- Post added at 04:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:28 PM ---------- I just watched the video, that oMMu is really movin'. I think you've made the Flash

06-14-2018, 01:44 PM	#52
gattispilot Addon Developer	Any updates? I finally got my LER to drive. now it needs a crew.

06-14-2018, 07:40 PM	#53
Woo482 Moderator	Sorry, I've been busy and haven't had the time to work on it properly - I'll have a look at how far along it currently is and put together a proper status update over the weekend.

06-14-2018, 11:34 PM	#54
4throck Enthusiast !	No rush, but it would be great to have it.... I have Orion+Altair for 2016 working reasonably well, and some moon EVAs would be great. It would also integrate well with the LER. So oMMU is greatly anticipated !

06-15-2018, 07:35 AM	#55
Urwumpe Not funny anymore	Will be with a GPL compatible license, so we could include it in SSU as well?

06-15-2018, 09:01 AM	#56
jedidia shoemaker without legs	I don't think there's any GPL-compatible closed-source licenses...

06-15-2018, 10:36 AM	#57
Face Beta Tester	Quote: Originally Posted by Urwumpe Will be with a GPL compatible license, so we could include it in SSU as well? AFAIK, WooMMu will be closed source, so you can't link to it in plain GPL code. However, you could perhaps implement the WooMMu linking part as a separate module licensed with something like MIT, that offers functions via "operating system" channels like clbkGeneric. In other words: load it as module, let it interact with your GPL-vessels only via Orbiter. Sure, this might ignite the discussion whether or not Orbiter is even the "operating system" for the GPL-vessels to start with, but we have another thread for that. If you are seeing GPL vessels as linkable to Orbiter, the above method should be as compatible as it gets.

06-15-2018, 10:56 AM	#58
Urwumpe Not funny anymore	Quote: Originally Posted by Face Sure, this might ignite the discussion whether or not Orbiter is even the "operating system" for the GPL-vessels to start with, but we have another thread for that. If you are seeing GPL vessels as linkable to Orbiter, the above method should be as compatible as it gets. Yeah, exactly, that would be a possible workaround. But still, I had to ask there, for avoiding annoying discussions what a system dependency is in our case, because if we extend the definition in our application to other Orbiter add-ons, I fear to open a really bad can of worms there. Its much easier to develop closed-source add-ons and just don't give a damn.

06-15-2018, 11:03 AM	#59
Face Beta Tester	Quote: Originally Posted by Urwumpe Its much easier to develop closed-source add-ons and just don't give a damn. Indeed it is, as sad a conclusion that might be for the Orbiter community. If the SSU project needs some help with the above mentioned work-around (and a similar thing for XRSound), I'm willing to help, though. The described code would be so trivial to do that I wouldn't have a problem contributing it as MIT code to SSU.

06-15-2018, 11:06 AM	#60
Urwumpe Not funny anymore	Quote: Originally Posted by Face Indeed it is, as sad a conclusion that might be for the Orbiter community. If the SSU project needs some help with the above mentioned work-around (and a similar thing for XRSound), I'm willing to help, though. The described code would be so trivial to do that I wouldn't have a problem contributing it as MIT code to SSU. I'll see, when it oMMU is close enough to release. Maybe everything will look different than compared to today.