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Old 07-20-2010, 01:51 PM   #31
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Spaceref: NASA Authorization Act of 2010 - House of Representatives Draft

This draft is total garbage!!!

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(4) For Exploration, $4,535,300,000 of which--

(A) $215,000,000 shall be for Human Research;

(B) $14,000,000 shall be for the Commercial Orbital Transportation System demonstration program;

(C) $50,000,000 shall be for commercial crew transportation-related activities;

(D) $4,156,300,000 shall be for the restructured exploration program described in section 202; and

(E) $100,000,000 shall be for the loan and loan guarantee program described in section 243.
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(a) REQUIREMENTS.--Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall develop a plan to restructure the exploration program in existence prior to fiscal year 2011 in order to develop and demonstrate in an integrated manner and as expeditiously and efficiently as practicable a governmentally owned crew transportation system and heavy lift transportation system that satisfies the following requirements:

(1) The plan shall make maximum practicable use of the design, development, and test work com


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pleted to date on the Orion crew exploration vehicle,

Ares I crew launch vehicle, heavy lift launch vehicle system, and associated ground support and exploration enabling systems and take best advantage of

investments and contracts implemented to date.

(2) The performance capabilities of the crew transportation system shall be phased in a manner that is consistent with available and anticipated resources, with the initial operational goal of having the crew transportation system developed under this section available to assure crewed access to low- Earth orbit and the ISS no later than December 31, 2015, in order to minimize the duration of the United States human space flight gap following the retirement of the Space Shuttle fleet. If one or more United States commercial entities are certified to provide ISS crew transportation and rescue services, the crew transportation system developed under this section shall be available as a backup ISS crew transportation and rescue service as needed but shall not be utilized as the primary means of ISS crew transportation and rescue or otherwise compete with the commercial system for ISS crew transportation and rescue services.


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(3) The crewed spacecraft element of the crew transportation system shall be evolvable on a continuous development path to support--

(A) ISS crew transportation and rescue capability;

(B) non-ISS missions to, from, and in low- Earth orbit; and

(C) human missions beyond low-Earth orbit.

(4) The crew transportation system shall be able to serve as a testbed for demonstrating operations concepts for exploration missions beyond low- Earth orbit, as well as for demonstrating technologies and carrying out risk reduction for the heavy lift launch vehicle development program.

(5) The crew transportation system shall have predicted levels of safety during ascent to low-Earth orbit, transit, and descent from low-Earth orbit that are not less than those required of the Ares I/Orion configuration that has completed program preliminary design review.

(6) In order to make the most cost-effective use of the funds available for the restructured exploration program, the Administrator shall pursue the expeditious and cost-efficient development of a heavy

lift launch system that utilizes the systems and flight and ground test activities of the crew transportation system developed under this section to the maximum extent practicable. In developing the heavy

lift launch vehicle--
Only $50 million for Commercial crew per year and basicaly a restructured Ares I and V. What a load of BS!!!!

The only thing remotely good is the Centrifuge.

What an epic fail!
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Old 07-20-2010, 08:11 PM   #33
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SpaceRef: "SpaceX Applauds Breakthrough Compromise in U.S. Senate on NASA Budget".

Houston Chronicle's/Eric Berger's "SciGuy" Blog: "Congress to NASA: 'Help is on the way'".

Some more wise, realistic "advice" from Buzz Aldrin:
The Huffington Post: "The Way Forward: Achieving a Consensus on America's Future in Space".

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Old 07-20-2010, 08:15 PM   #34
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http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=225900096

I may be mixing things up horribly, but I thought that the Senate had just rejected this...?
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Old 07-20-2010, 10:21 PM   #35
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 http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=225900096

I may be mixing things up horribly, but I thought that the Senate had just rejected this...?
The House Science Committee has just rejected it some parts of it (an extra Shuttle flight), however, they have agreed with other parts of it (government-owned HLV development).

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SpaceRef: "Letter to Senators Mikulski and Shelby from Apollo Astronauts Neil Armstrong, James Lovell, and Eugene Cernan, 20 July 2010".
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Old 07-20-2010, 11:03 PM   #36
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In regards to the most recent letter from Niel and company, I wish they would have been more forthcomming as to which plan they prefer. Though I'm sure they like the house bill more for some reason. There is a world of difference between the two and for these three great humans not to see that is disapointing.
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Old 07-20-2010, 11:59 PM   #37
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Orlando Sentinel's "The Write Stuff" Blog: "NASA compromise holds for now".
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:16 AM   #38
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...-science.shtml

So what's going to happen to all those companies that were promised funding (e.g. SpaceDev, for Dream Chaser)? Are they now not going to get that funding?

EDIT: nevermind, found the answer here. Sounds like they'll stay funded!
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Old 07-22-2010, 06:33 PM   #39
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Space Politics: "Loving NASA and other authorization bill reaction".

Space Politics: "Senate appropriators take up NASA spending bill today".

Florida Today's "The Flame Trench" Blog: "Senate meetings to set NASA policy, funding, continue today".

SpaceRef: "Shelby: CJS Bill Sustains Human Space Flight".

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Florida Today's "The Flame Trench" Blog: "Senate subcommittee approves funding for NASA compromise".

Orlando Sentinel's "The Write Stuff" Blog: "NASA compromise takes small step forward".

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RIA Novosti: "Russia scoffs at NASA plans to send astronauts to asteroid, Mars by 2015".
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NASA does not have capacities to build an asteroid mission spacecraft by 2015, the head of Roscosmos' manned flights department, Alexei Krasnov, said in the wake of Senate committee's approval of the bill that would allow NASA to create the spacecraft for deep space missions.

On July 15, NASA unveiled its plans to send astronauts to an asteroid and to Mars no later than 2015.

Earlier in April, U.S. President Barack Obama said in his speech on U.S. space industry development that the astronauts would likely to fly to an asteroid by 2025 and to Mars in the mid-2030s, but NASA was ready to boost the process saying the development of the spacecraft for manned deep space missions should be started as early as 2015.

"It is unreal by 2015," Krasnov said. "[They] probably won't be able to any sooner than by 2023-2025. They do not have the necessary spacecraft, and we will be ready with the project by 2018-2020".
I think the Russians are a bit confused about NASA's new bill!
The new NASA bill only wants a government-owned heavy lift launch vehicle + crewed spacecraft to be built by 2015. The bill does not say that they actually intend to fly them anywhere within that timeframe!

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Space News: "Senate Panel Cuts Commercial Crew, Adds Funds for Orion and Heavy Lift".

NASA Watch: "A Missed Opportunity".

SpaceRef: "Media alert: Florida, Texas trying end-run for space shuttle".

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Space Policy Online: "Senate Appropriations Markup of CJS Bill is at 2:30 PM EDT Thursday; Audio of Today's Subcommittee Markup Now Available".

Space Policy Online is providing live updates of the Senate Appropriations Markup of CJS Bill via its Twitter account.

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The Senate Appropriations Markup of the CJS Bill is now underway. Here's a live webcast.

NASA Watch: "Showing NASA Some Love in the House".

SpaceRef: "Letter From California House Members to Rep. Bart Gordon Regarding NASA's FY 2011 Budget".

Florida Today: "Differing views for NASA advance".

Florida Today's "The Flame Trench" Blog: "House panel backs additional shuttle flight".

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Old 07-22-2010, 08:53 PM   #40
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At this rate it isn't going to happen. Now, nasa is always held back by cost-cutting and politics. an endeavor of the human condition that is totally artificial and self-serving. Humans won't do it unless there is money to be made.
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Old 07-22-2010, 11:32 PM   #41
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SpaceRef: "Kosmas Successful in Fight for Additional Shuttle Mission".



NASA Watch: "Webb Team Has CR Worries".

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Orlando Sentinel: "Senate compromise may be setting up NASA for another failure".

Space Travel: "House Committee Sets Realistic And Sustainable Path For NASA".

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Old 07-23-2010, 01:14 PM   #42
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NASA Watch: "Here We Go Again: Do More With Less"

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Days before the compromise was announced, NASA chief Charlie Bolden and Deputy Lori Garver told its two champions -- U.S. Sens. Bill Nelson, D-Florida and Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas -- that NASA could not finish the proposed new rocket before 2020, according to three sources present at the meetings.
What about the side mount? What about just using Delta IV heavy? This is all a bunch of nonsence! What ever happened to the "Can-Do" American spirit!!! To many poeple use the word can't (or some variation) way too much these days.

Politics and agency turf wars need to be removed from this debate or we are going to sit around watching another decade go by with no progress.



EDIT: Sorry, just noticed the Orlando Sentinel article linked on NASA Wacth was already posted.
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Old 07-23-2010, 01:19 PM   #43
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"Can do" is one thing another of the space race was always "No bucks, no buck rogers".
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Old 07-23-2010, 11:29 PM   #44
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Committee Approves Three-Year Authorization That Sets Realistic, Sustainable Path for NASA.

Spaceflight Now: "Competing NASA bills on collision course in Congress".

Space Politics: "Senate committee makes quick work of NASA appropriations bill".

Congressman Pete Olson: "Olson applauds committee action on NASA authorization bill".

SpaceRef: "NASA Legislation Embraced by Appropriations Committee Presents Unified Senate Position on Space".

SpaceRef: "AIA Statement Urging Congress to Pass NASA Authorization Act of 2010".

Houston Chronicle: "House committee action could spell relief for NASA's JSC".

Florida Today: "House aligns for one more shuttle flight".


SpaceRef: "House Committee supports full competition on shuttle decision".

Florida Today: "KSC bid for orbiter hits snag in House".

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Some more articles:

SPACE.com: "Senate Panel Cuts Commercial Spaceship Funding for NASA".

Space Politics: "House committee approves authorization bill with some changes".

CNN: "What will inspire tomorrow's rocket scientists?".

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Via SpacePolicyOnline:


Markup Info for NASA, NOAA bills from Yesterday.

Senate Appropriations Markup of the Commerce-Justice-Science Appropriations bill for FY2011.
Press Release.
Audio of markup session.
Committee report (S. Rept. 111-229).

House Science and Technology Committee Markup of NASA Authorization Bill.
Press Release.
Amendments that were adopted.
Bill text (H.R. 5781) as introduced.

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AmericaSpace: "A Message From NASA's Administrator".

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Old 07-24-2010, 09:37 AM   #45
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Orbinaut Pete, is this how much you can read in one day??
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