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Old 12-11-2008, 01:23 PM   #31
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 It is never a good idea, to tell your customer, that your customer does not know how to judge the product...
Don't blame him. The guy's gone berserk because of despair. I understand him.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:37 PM   #32
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 Don't blame him. The guy's gone berserk because of despair. I understand him.
I don't. It is not his job to be despaired. If he is exhausted doing the job, he can resign.

If you have an economic crisis knocking at the door, it is not good presenting your institution as the one, which has no reason for being spared from funding cuts - even if the truth is like that. You have to sell your product, and a NASA administrator is paid for exactly this task. He does not have to design the vehicles, he has to ensure the design teams work effective and the results can be sold to the tax payer.

After all: Instead of cutting NASAs budget by 5%, the new executive can also just cut the DoD budget by 0.25%. Or 0.5% and give the rest of the money to NASA.

That NASA has to suffer, when politics dragged the car into the mud, is no constant. Spaceflight has gone a very long way from the propaganda tool of the 1960s.

Honestly... I would say about 10% - 20% of the members on this forum could get a better idea as saying "I don't cooperate with you, I only want your money and you have no authorization to judge what the money is spent for."
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:39 PM   #33
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He's going to get himself "blacklisted" by the Administration. No cushy corporate board job for him once he gets fired from NASA.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:52 PM   #34
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 After all: Instead of cutting NASAs budget by 5%, the new executive can also just cut the DoD budget by 0.25%. Or 0.5% and give the rest of the money to NASA.
You are entirely right IF it's the 5% budget cut which is at the stake. But I believe Griffins just knows more than we do.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:56 PM   #35
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 You are entirely right IF it's the 5% budget cut which is at the stake. But I believe Griffins just knows more than we do.
That is an authority obeying tautology. I also know more than Griffin.

The question is just: Does this knowledge matter?
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:01 PM   #36
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This angers me. I'm with Griffen. He must hate people coming along with no experience & telling him how to do things

If Obama names an administrator that cancels Project Constellation, he's lost my support!
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:04 PM   #37
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 That is an authority obeying tautology. I also know more than Griffin.

The question is just: Does this knowledge matter?
Griffin is not my authority. What's your source about the planned 5% cut?
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:10 PM   #38
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I should say, from reading into this thread further, that in Britain, "Ares" is spelled "Aries".

As an Englishman & a Gentleman, and a speaker of the language of Shakespeare, I refuse to acknowledge the word "Ares"
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:16 PM   #39
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 This angers me. I'm with Griffen. He must hate people coming along with no experience & telling him how to do things
If this is a problem for him, he should never have became NASA administrator. Or engineer at all. Engineers are hired by people who have no experience for doing something, which requires this experience. By people who are rich enough for affording engineers, but who also did not get rich by wasting money.

Also, it is not about telling him how to do things, but to ask him why he needs so much money for it, and already plans to ask for more.

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 If Obama names an administrator that cancels Project Constellation, he's lost my support!
So, it isn't your money that is spent?

But anyway, the chance that Constellation is canceled is minimal. Even though this would be the best chance to get rid of it.


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 Griffin is not my authority. What's your source about the planned 5% cut?
Was just a number I threw into the discussion. 5% makes it easier to do math with it, when comparing the NASA budget to the DoD budget.

Also, 5% is pretty much a good maximum, considering the predictions that the USA economy will shrink in the next year by 2-4%.
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:19 PM   #40
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 I should say, from reading into this thread further, that in Britain, "Ares" is spelled "Aries".

As an Englishman & a Gentleman, and a speaker of the language of Shakespeare, I refuse to acknowledge the word "Ares"
So, in Shakespeare's language, these two Gentlemen are identical?

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 I should say, from reading into this thread further, that in Britain, "Ares" is spelled "Aries".
Must be the effect of being ruled by Gordon Brown.

Ares = Greek god of war, and equivalent of Mars, the Roman god of war.
Aries = Constellation of the zodiac, also called "The Ram".

It is not a matter of spelling. Both words mean different things.
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:26 PM   #42
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So, it isn't your money that is spent?
Well, for me, It's not about the money, although I'm sure it is for NASA.

I just don't want to see this great project go down the drain due to lack of funding


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Yes, I know the word "Ares" exists.

But I'm sure NASA didn't name their new rocket after the Greek god of war

I assume that it being called Project Constellation, they named their rocket after the "Aries" constellation.

I believe America calls it "Ares" and across the pond we call it "Aries"
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:28 PM   #43
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 I just don't want to see this great project go down the drain due to lack of funding
How great a project really is, does not depend on the goals, but on how it wants to achieve these goals.

Building the tallest building of the world is useless, if your building already collapses after the first winter storm.

And a lunar landing project, which will become financially unbearable even before the first astronaut landed on the moon, is not great. That is again flags and footprints, with the number of missions being cut down before science can really start.
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:31 PM   #44
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 But I'm sure NASA didn't name their new rocket after the Greek god of war
You're wrong. They did.
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:31 PM   #45
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 I assume that it being called Project Constellation, they named their rocket after the "Aries" constellation.

I believe America calls it "Ares" and across the pond we call it "Aries"
You believe wrong. The rocket is called Ares - like all shuttle-derived launch vehicles planned for launching Mars Missions. There is also no discussion on how it is called on the other side of the pond. You just look for excuses.

Orion - Greek mythological figure, hunting companion of Artemis
Artemis - Greek goddess, falsely connected to the moon.
Ares - Greek god of war and astrological tied to the planet Mars.
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