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Old 10-13-2018, 09:41 AM   #91
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Originally Posted by fred18 View Post
 Hi jacques,
So what's happening here is that the status of the platform never gets updated while is towed away and when you save the scenario the status that gets saved is the original one.
I also think like you, it's certainly the reason


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Originally Posted by fred18 View Post
 Could you please post the .scn when you save it without detaching before saving?
(...)
so if you can post two scenarios:
1) attach the truck to the platform, tow it around, do NOT detach it, close the scn and post it here
2) reopen the scn, don't do anything and post it again here.
Let me know!
Ok, I'm trying to post this to you in the coming days
If you want the files (msh, cfg, ini files etc) I will can send all to you...
In the meantime, I'm going to post here my scn files as soon as I can
Thank you again for your availability

Jacques

---------- Post added 13-10-18 at 09:41 ---------- Previous post was 12-10-18 at 19:12 ----------

Bonjour Fred

So, here are my scenarios.


1) The initial scn :
Code:
BEGIN_DESC
Orbiter saved state at T = 7087
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 56778.6849751222
  Help CurrentState_img
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship ELA3-Camion
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET ELA3-Camion
  MODE Extern
  POS 20.018076 -42.274500 -27.361270
  TRACKMODE TargetRelative
  FOV 49.53
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_SHIPS
Ariane5:Kourou_Rockets\Ariane5\Ariane5
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.5596280 5.0600480
  HEADING 130.00
  ALT -0.084
  AROT 173.637 -37.270 -126.137
  ATTACHED 0:0,MS_LaunchPad_Ariane5
  AFCMODE 7
    FUEL 1
  NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0
  XPDR 0
  CONFIG_FILE Config\Kourou_Rockets\Ariane5\Ariane5.ini
  GUIDANCE_FILE Config\Kourou_Rockets\Ariane5\Ariane5_guidance_test.txt
  CONFIGURATION 0
  CURRENT_BOOSTER 1
  CURRENT_STAGE 1
  CURRENT_INTERSTAGE 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 1
  FAIRING 1
  MET -15.000
  STAGE_IGNITION_TIME 0.000000
  STAGE_STATE 1
  ALT_STEPS 100.0,350.0,1400.0,35000.0
  PEG_PITCH_LIMIT 35.000
  PEG_MC_INTERVAL 0.100
  RAMP 
END
MS_LaunchPad_Ariane5:Ghost_ELA-3-crawler
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7473238 5.2317856
  HEADING 210.50
  ALT -0.021
  AROT 173.438 -37.071 153.467
  ATTACHED 0:0,ELA3_Crawler
  AFCMODE 7
END
GV_ELA3-Camion:Kourou\GV_ELA3-Camion
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390867 5.2429795
  HEADING 354.45
  ALT 0.001
  AROT 89.202 7.589 37.462
  AFCMODE 7
END
ELA3-Camion:Kourou\ELA3-Camion
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7447993 5.2292036
  HEADING 0.00
  ALT -1.000
  AROT 85.834 3.163 37.140
  ATTACHED 0:1,GV_ELA3-Camion
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
  SEQ 0 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 1 2 1.000000
  SEQ 3 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 4 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 5 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 6 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 7 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 8 -2 0.000000
END
ELA3_Crawler:Kourou\ELA3_Crawler
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390509 5.2428103
  HEADING 352.59
  ALT -0.179
  AROT 90.408 9.015 37.638
  ATTACHED 0:0,GV_ELA3-Camion
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
END
ELA3_arms:Kourou\ELA3_arms
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.5595750 5.0600030
  HEADING 220.02
  ALT 38.795
  AROT -120.225 28.009 136.700
  ATTACHED 0:1,ELA3_Crawler
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.987000
  THLEVEL 0:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  UMB 0 0.0000
END
END_SHIPS
Some explanations :
Ariane5..........................................T he rocket
MS_LaunchPad_Ariane5................... The "ghost" support (attached on the "crawler")
GV_ELA3-Camion........................... The truck (only the wheels) general_vehicle
ELA3-Camion................................ The truck (cabin etc) spacecraft3 attached on the "general_vehicle wheels"
ELA3_Crawler................................ The crawler (spacecraft3)
ELA3_arms................................... Arms and ombilic (with dll, made by BrianJ) attached on the "crawler"



Quote:
Originally Posted by fred18 View Post
 2a) attach the truck to the platform, tow it around, do NOT detach it, close the scn and post it here
Code:
BEGIN_DESC
Current scenario state
Contains the latest simulation state.
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 56778.6854453223
  Help CurrentState_img
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship ELA3-Camion
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET ELA3-Camion
  MODE Extern
  POS 20.018076 -135.093663 -22.634368
  TRACKMODE TargetRelative
  FOV 49.53
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_SHIPS
Ariane5:Kourou_Rockets\Ariane5\Ariane5
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390867 5.2428054
  HEADING 172.44
  ALT 22.021
  AROT 173.637 -37.270 -126.137
  ATTACHED 0:0,MS_LaunchPad_Ariane5
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000 3:1.000000 4:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0
  XPDR 0
  CONFIG_FILE Config\Kourou_Rockets\Ariane5\Ariane5.ini
  GUIDANCE_FILE Config\Kourou_Rockets\Ariane5\Ariane5_guidance_test.txt
  CONFIGURATION 0
  CURRENT_BOOSTER 1
  CURRENT_STAGE 1
  CURRENT_INTERSTAGE 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 1
  FAIRING 1
  MET -15.000
  STAGE_IGNITION_TIME 0.000000
  STAGE_STATE 1
  ALT_STEPS 100.0,350.0,1400.0,35000.0
  PEG_PITCH_LIMIT 35.000
  PEG_MC_INTERVAL 0.100
  RAMP 
END
MS_LaunchPad_Ariane5:Ghost_ELA-3-crawler
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390867 5.2428057
  HEADING 172.44
  ALT -0.329
  AROT 173.438 -37.071 153.467
  ATTACHED 0:0,ELA3_Crawler
  AFCMODE 7
END
GV_ELA3-Camion:Kourou\GV_ELA3-Camion
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7389734 5.2442846
  HEADING 14.50
  ALT 0.001
  AROT 77.029 -8.381 37.548
  AFCMODE 7
END
ELA3-Camion:Kourou\ELA3-Camion
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7447993 5.2292036
  HEADING 0.00
  ALT -1.000
  AROT 85.834 3.163 37.140
  ATTACHED 0:1,GV_ELA3-Camion
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
  SEQ 0 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 1 2 1.000000
  SEQ 2 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 4 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 5 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 6 -2 0.000000
END
ELA3_Crawler:Kourou\ELA3_Crawler
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390509 5.2428103
  HEADING 352.59
  ALT -0.179
  AROT 90.408 9.015 37.638
  ATTACHED 0:0,GV_ELA3-Camion
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
  SEQ 0 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 1 -2 0.000000
END
ELA3_arms:Kourou\ELA3_arms
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390167 5.2428138
  HEADING 172.59
  ALT 38.321
  AROT -120.225 28.009 136.700
  ATTACHED 0:1,ELA3_Crawler
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.987000
  THLEVEL 0:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  UMB 0 0.0000
END
END_SHIPS
Quote:
Originally Posted by fred18 View Post
 2b) reopen the scn, don't do anything and post it again here.
Code:
BEGIN_DESC
Current scenario state
Contains the latest simulation state.
END_DESC

BEGIN_ENVIRONMENT
  System Sol
  Date MJD 56778.6855303433
  Help CurrentState_img
END_ENVIRONMENT

BEGIN_FOCUS
  Ship ELA3-Camion
END_FOCUS

BEGIN_CAMERA
  TARGET ELA3-Camion
  MODE Extern
  POS 20.018076 -135.093663 -22.634368
  TRACKMODE TargetRelative
  FOV 49.53
END_CAMERA

BEGIN_SHIPS
Ariane5:Kourou_Rockets\Ariane5\Ariane5
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390870 5.2428053
  HEADING 172.87
  ALT 22.221
  AROT 173.637 -37.270 -126.137
  ATTACHED 0:0,MS_LaunchPad_Ariane5
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000 1:1.000000 2:1.000000 3:1.000000 4:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0 0 0
  XPDR 0
  CONFIG_FILE Config\Kourou_Rockets\Ariane5\Ariane5.ini
  GUIDANCE_FILE Config\Kourou_Rockets\Ariane5\Ariane5_guidance_test.txt
  CONFIGURATION 0
  CURRENT_BOOSTER 1
  CURRENT_STAGE 1
  CURRENT_INTERSTAGE 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 1
  FAIRING 1
  MET -15.000
  STAGE_IGNITION_TIME 0.000000
  STAGE_STATE 1
  ALT_STEPS 100.0,350.0,1400.0,35000.0
  PEG_PITCH_LIMIT 35.000
  PEG_MC_INTERVAL 0.100
  RAMP 
END
MS_LaunchPad_Ariane5:Ghost_ELA-3-crawler
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390870 5.2428055
  HEADING 172.87
  ALT -0.129
  AROT 173.438 -37.071 153.467
  ATTACHED 0:0,ELA3_Crawler
  AFCMODE 7
END
GV_ELA3-Camion:Kourou\GV_ELA3-Camion
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7389734 5.2442846
  HEADING 14.50
  ALT 0.001
  AROT 77.029 -8.381 37.548
  AFCMODE 7
END
ELA3-Camion:Kourou\ELA3-Camion
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7447993 5.2292036
  HEADING 0.00
  ALT -1.000
  AROT 85.834 3.163 37.140
  ATTACHED 0:1,GV_ELA3-Camion
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
  SEQ 0 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 1 2 1.000000
  SEQ 2 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 4 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 5 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 6 -2 0.000000
END
ELA3_Crawler:Kourou\ELA3_Crawler
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390512 5.2428102
  HEADING 352.59
  ALT -0.079
  AROT 90.407 9.014 37.637
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  CONFIGURATION 1
  CURRENT_PAYLOAD 0
  SEQ 0 -2 0.000000
  SEQ 1 -2 0.000000
END
ELA3_arms:Kourou\ELA3_arms
  STATUS Landed Earth
  POS -52.7390171 5.2428137
  HEADING 172.59
  ALT 38.421
  AROT -120.225 28.009 136.700
  ATTACHED 0:1,ELA3_Crawler
  AFCMODE 7
  PRPLEVEL 0:0.987000
  THLEVEL 0:1.000000
  NAVFREQ 0 0
  UMB 0 0.0000
END
END_SHIPS
Jacques
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Old 11-07-2018, 02:07 PM   #92
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I guess we could use this for a replacement UMMU? Just use a mesh. And move around? Creating them in a vessel might be tricky.

I still haven't figured how your x touchdown adjustment works for other vehicles
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Old 11-07-2018, 03:56 PM   #93
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Interesting read in this thread (GV using as UMMU):
"https://www.orbiter-forum.com/showthread.php?p=581867&postcount=1"

Here we modified the GV-code, to be able to use RCS when not "landed".
(simple logic: if not landed...ignore GV's keyboard input...use generic orbiter key-input)

The problem her was LUA itself:
-creating a vessel (GV-UMMU) on ground works fine
-creating the same vessel in space (i.e. 5 meters in front of the docking-port) causes issues, when used state-vectors.
I guess, while LUA is interpreting its code, time is still running, and the new created vessel (the UMMU) will be created...but too late...so the "docking-port vessel" has already left the state-vector-position.
At the end, the UMMu will be created about 100 meters from your vessel with a relative DV of 25 m/s....

Maybe creating the UMMU docked or attached to the vessel might be a workaround....
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Old 11-07-2018, 04:05 PM   #94
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 I guess, while LUA is interpreting its code, time is still running, and the new created vessel (the UMMU) will be created...but too late...so the "docking-port vessel" has already left the state-vector-position.
At the end, the UMMu will be created about 100 meters from your vessel with a relative DV of 25 m/s....

Maybe creating the UMMU docked or attached to the vessel might be a workaround....
Have you tried to create the vessel anywhere in the universe and place it at the right place after creation?
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>Have you tried to create the vessel anywhere in the universe and place it at the right place after creation?

This might be an option. So we (LUA) can take the time to create the vessel, and THEN setting the "state-vector"...
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Old 11-07-2018, 04:15 PM   #96
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 This might be an option. So we (LUA) can take the time to create the vessel, and THEN setting the "state-vector"...
That is precisely what I was suggesting
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Old 11-07-2018, 05:41 PM   #97
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I suggested this for use with the Interstellar Add-on. Use Gv with our Ummu meshes. Then code create a GV vessel and place on ground where they would be dropped off at. In space not sure if this would work.


Any ideas on the X touchdown help?
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Old 12-05-2018, 01:14 PM   #98
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So I made a cfg for a Ummu and moon buggy


looks good on the pad but there are some ares where you sink in. In real life it would be like soft soil



On the buggy it is just a mesh. Not sure if I can steer with no mesh groups defined as this wheel for a turn one side would go forward and the other reverse.


But because it is a vehicle to turning while not moving.

And no way to get into the vehicle.



I think if you are going for looks maybe raise the mesh up
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Old 12-05-2018, 05:55 PM   #99
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Do you remember this one ?
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:02 PM   #100
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I do,I still use it to this day.
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yes. I am not sure how well it would do in GV. With the trailer part.
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Old 12-05-2018, 06:33 PM   #102
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fred18 got the Semi trailor working in GV.
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Old 12-05-2018, 07:19 PM   #103
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Yes. I can take a look
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Old 12-06-2018, 06:04 PM   #104
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  looks good on the pad but there are some ares where you sink in. In real life it would be like soft soil

As far as I understand Orbiter 2016 terrain and touchdown points (not much ) it will always be soft soil.

We don't have hard points, we have springs. So vessels will sink more or less depending on weight (and that depends on the planet).
The terrain we see is not what orbiter uses for surface calculations. So you will always have floating and sinking.

I might be completely wrong of course....
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gattis you might look at that for your Molab and see if you can get it to turn better
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