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Old 01-17-2019, 02:57 PM   #16
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Multi-Nation for sure. But I think it would be better, if governments didn't have alot of say in it. Sort of a science, business deal.
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Old 01-17-2019, 03:44 PM   #17
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 Multi-Nation for sure. But I think it would be better, if governments didn't have alot of say in it. Sort of a science, business deal.
Well, I like the "Lunar Village" idea - pretty much an open (real world) framework for building lunar bases and explore the moon. But this is still very early in its infancy.

https://moonvillageassociation.org/

Of course, as Red Moon reader, I would not want to give the Transnats too much power....

Would we use reusable space tugs, when using commercial launch providers?
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Old 03-17-2019, 04:17 AM   #18
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Modular blow-up Habs, before regolith covering.
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Old 03-17-2019, 05:53 PM   #19
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Hey Don those photos of the blow up Habs,and lunar station look familiar are they from project Jason?
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:21 PM   #20
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The Rover and Cart are, yes. The HAB is new.
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:33 PM   #21
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Is that 2010 or 2016?
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Old 03-18-2019, 05:46 PM   #22
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Great idea guys. I would love to share ideas with you guys. Some of the stuff is already done in Orbiter but lots of work still to be done. A new reusable lander was rolled out few weeks ago and if you look the crew compartment is a modified Orion. With some vision might be able to remove the crew compartment and replace it with the cargo like the LER and Hab. The SLS would need to be able to not only carry the Orion but a cargo carrier and extra fuel tanks to refill the Lander at the gate way.
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Old 03-18-2019, 06:05 PM   #23
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Gotta say Don,project jason is still one of my favorite addons for orbiter 2010,maybe with the vessel builder it will also work in 2016,keeping fingers crossed.

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 Gotta say Don,project jason is still one of my favorite addons for orbiter 2010,maybe with the vessel builder it will also work in 2016,keeping fingers crossed.

Maybe thru Ground/General Veesel it could be made to drive.
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  The SLS would need to be able to not only carry the Orion but a cargo carrier and extra fuel tanks to refill the Lander at the gate way.

Unless the SLS is not supposed to be used for "logistics".
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:51 PM   #26
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It looks like the unmanned cargo flights would be carried out by a Vulcan or Atlas 5/centaur but NASA did look at a Skylab Extension using Saturn S1B's and unmanned cargo supported by Apollo/Saturn S1B flights with cargo containers similar to the docking module used by the ASTP mission. Early Lunar flights would need lander fuel brought from the Earth.

Space X has thought alot about a total reusable system where the dragons would be replaced by a smaller version Starship on top of a Falcon 9. That way both the second stage and cargo/crew module would return to be reused for ISS flights.
I submitted a proposal where the X 33 not the Venture Star would be used to support the original Gateway first seen in the 2000's. It would be mounted on top of a launch vehicle and have a B 1 type escape capsule for crew and or cargo in the payload bay and the main fuel tanks to be used to take fuel for a reusable lander
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Old 04-04-2019, 07:36 PM   #27
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Seems the new administration, is more ambitious than I.
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 Seems the new administration, is more ambitious than I.

You might still be first.
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Old 04-06-2019, 05:07 AM   #29
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A Lunar Dragon concept.
Launch config on the left. Launched unmanned atop FH. Docked to Crew Dragon in LEO. Second stage boost to TLI. Service module can also be used with cargo variant, with a shroud.
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A Lunar Dragon concept.
Could a Dragon really go down and up to / from the moon?
Looking at NASA's plan to land on the moon I would imagine a more bulky landing stage, while the Dragon could be the ascent vehicle.

This also had the advantage that the astronauts would have a kind of 'front porch' when they open the hatch and step out of the Dragon. From here they could then climb down a ladder at the side of the descent stage.


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