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Old 07-17-2014, 04:09 PM   #1
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Default Malaysian airlines aircraft "shot down", SA-11 apparently

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rder-live.html

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Old 07-17-2014, 04:19 PM   #2
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50 bucks on Malaysian Airlines being out of business by 2020.

Yeah, I can already hear the conspiracy theorists typing furiosly.
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Old 07-17-2014, 04:19 PM   #3
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Unfortunately yes.

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Old 07-17-2014, 04:48 PM   #4
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The chances are very low that this was just an accident in a very strange place. But yes, it could also be Malaysian maintenance, which will result in the pilot being blamed for having no plans after landing.

---------- Post added at 06:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:24 PM ----------

The first pictures of the debris look like the aircraft broke already apart in the air.

Still, thats no automatic sign of it being shot down. It could be terrorism as well, or plain aerodynamic forces. The aircraft that caught fire over Saudi-Arabia also broke apart already in the air, after the structural integrity failed.
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Old 07-17-2014, 04:59 PM   #5
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The problem is of course how could an investigation start in such a war zone right now - that in itself could escalate into political dogfights already!
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Old 07-17-2014, 06:43 PM   #6
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Anyway this controversial accident, always lose civilians. Heads of state are comfortable in a bunker.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:50 PM   #7
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There seem to be conflicting eye witness reports (which is usual for any air accident) as to whether the aircraft was in pieces or largely intact at impact.

From the one picture I have seen the debris field 'looks' remarkably contained - suggesting the aiircraft, or at least a large part of it was largely intact on impact. The debris field depicted is also thoroughly burnt out and shows part of one engine, suggesting the wing and fuel tanks were still intact at the point of impact.

I know better though than to start to speculate, just an early observation from what I have seen. It is quite possible that a large part of the plane came down at the spot I have seen pictures of, but other parts are spread along a much longer debris field.
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:30 PM   #8
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Reporters say debris cover an area of over 40Km! If that's the case then there is no way the Aircraft hull was intact before impact.
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:44 PM   #9
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In case this was a terrorist attack: why this plane? Malaysia has nothing to do with the conflict AFAIK. Or maybe it was a random shot at a plane? I don't think anyone would do that tho, not Russia or Ukraine at least.
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Old 07-17-2014, 09:00 PM   #10
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Four Germans have died in the attack, by current state of events.
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Old 07-17-2014, 11:13 PM   #11
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When I read this, I thought they found the wreck of 370 in Ukraine and it was hidden this whole time.

But wait, this is another MAL disaster?

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Old 07-18-2014, 02:57 AM   #12
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It is reported that the plane was indeed shot down by surface-to-air missile. Still no certainty on who did it.

"The airline said the plane was carrying a total 298 people, including three infants - 283 passengers and 15 crew. It earlier said it had been carrying 295 people which did not account for the three young children.
Netherlands 154
Malaysia 43
Australia 27
Indonesia 12
United Kingdom 9
Germany 4
Belgium 4
Philippines 3
Canada 1
Unverified 41"

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Old 07-18-2014, 07:02 AM   #13
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There are already evidences that the aircraft was shot down by russians (or you may call them separatists with russian support). Here are recordings where they report about an aircraft shot by them and later they realize that it was a civil plane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g

P.S. Still some of you think that USA shouldn't have sacrificed space exploration and cooperation with Moscow for sanctions?
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:31 AM   #14
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Be honest, you don't speak Russian (Ukranian) or read Cyrillic, do you?

Do you have any idea what was said on that video?
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Old 07-18-2014, 07:42 AM   #15
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 Be honest, you don't speak Russian (Ukranian) or read Cyrillic, do you?
And most likely he does not know how voice of separatists commanders sounds.

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