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4throck · 09-12-2015, 10:56 PM

My suggestion, to keep things as simple as possible, would be to display the stack status* to the left of the screen and the guidance to the right**, both as simple text above the MFDs.

This would help in add-on creation and could be expanded to show failures.

*-what stages are configured, the heights and fuel, the burn sequence (parallel or sequential), fairings and payloads, etc.

** - a list of the guidance commands

romanasul · 09-12-2015, 11:02 PM

I haven't played Orbiter in over six months but it looks like it's time to get back.

**Donamy** · 09-13-2015, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4throck

My suggestion, to keep things as simple as possible, would be to display the stack status* to the left of the screen and the guidance to the right**, both as simple text above the MFDs.

This would help in add-on creation and could be expanded to show failures.

*-what stages are configured, the heights and fuel, the burn sequence (parallel or sequential), fairings and payloads, etc.

** - a list of the guidance commands

I would suggest this only be shown in the cockpit view.

4throck · 09-13-2015, 03:50 PM

Good suggestion.
VC view would bring the status display, normal view is backward compatible (clean HUD + MFDs).

fred18 · 09-13-2015, 06:15 PM

I don't know if that is possible.
Anyway this is the information currently available on the Hud:

I really believe that a multiscreen MFD mode would be a nice solution at this point. If the user wish to check the data can check everything via the MFD, can keep two of them open during launch or many of them open with ExtMFD etc.

4throck · 09-13-2015, 06:27 PM

Looks great !

If you already have it like that, it's good.

A specific MFD sounds interesting, but I don't know about multiple rockets. What would happen when you switch focus ?

fred18 · 09-13-2015, 06:43 PM

Thanks!

Each rocket have its own set of flight variables, mfds will display the updated situation of the focused vessel. But I never made an MFD so I have to check how to do it properly before

**Ripley** · 09-13-2015, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fred18

...Anyway this is the information currently available on the Hud...

How does this overlaid text interact with the "generic MFD size" option (Launchpad - Parameters)?
What happens if I resize my MFDs to a BIG number?

fred18 · 09-15-2015, 02:02 AM

The overlay text is written within the HUD, so if you increase the mfd size significantly it can happen that the text remains hidden by the mfd. But i don't see many possible solutions to this and I think that the current setup should fit most of the users' resolutions.

---------- Post added 15th Sep 2015 at 03:02 ---------- Previous post was 14th Sep 2015 at 08:41 ----------

Quick update:

Live payloads and rotated payloads are now supported!

I had a bit of a nightmare with Rotation Matrixes but finally everything seems to be working.

For "dead payload" rotation works also if more than one mesh is defined.

For "live" payload rotation works and paylaod mass can be input manually in the ini file to simulate ballast or can be simply left blank and Multistage2015 will get the mass and the size automatically from the live module.

Now what's left:
- Mach1 and Vent effects directly in the ini file - EASY
- LES directly in the ini file - MEDIUM
- Failures - MEDIUM
- Dedicated MFD - HARD

still trying to keep my word for this week

**Donamy** · 09-15-2015, 02:23 AM

What do you mean by rotated payload ?

fred18 · 09-15-2015, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donamy

What do you mean by rotated payload ?

With Vinka you can only load payloads which are oriented towards the forward (Z) axis of the vehicle. Now you'll simply put in the payload section of the ini

Code:

rotation=(30,45,70)

To have a payload which is 30 degrees rotated around x axis, 45 around y and 70 around z.

**Donamy** · 09-15-2015, 02:48 AM

Will the payload thrust be added and offset as well ?

fred18 · 09-15-2015, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donamy

Will the payload thrust be added and offset as well ?

You gave me a great point! I implemented it!

Now thrust of live payload is added, rotated and offset. I think that this opens up a big set of new opportunities for developers that can play with live payloads!

For example space shuttle can be implemented with SRBs as live payloads now or you can put an invisible Multistage under another craft to use the Multistage autopilot etc.

Note: Only main thruster are rendered, RCS thrusters are not.

Not true anymore: linear RCS is accounted

**Donamy** · 09-15-2015, 01:49 PM

Could it also be animated, for things like rotating engines for like Ospreys.

fred18 · 09-15-2015, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donamy

Could it also be animated, for things like rotating engines for like Ospreys.

nope, no animation will be implemented

09-15-2015, 02:02 AM	#114
fred18 Addon Developer	The overlay text is written within the HUD, so if you increase the mfd size significantly it can happen that the text remains hidden by the mfd. But i don't see many possible solutions to this and I think that the current setup should fit most of the users' resolutions. ---------- Post added 15th Sep 2015 at 03:02 ---------- Previous post was 14th Sep 2015 at 08:41 ---------- Quick update: Live payloads and rotated payloads are now supported! I had a bit of a nightmare with Rotation Matrixes but finally everything seems to be working. For "dead payload" rotation works also if more than one mesh is defined. For "live" payload rotation works and paylaod mass can be input manually in the ini file to simulate ballast or can be simply left blank and Multistage2015 will get the mass and the size automatically from the live module. Now what's left: - Mach1 and Vent effects directly in the ini file - EASY - LES directly in the ini file - MEDIUM - Failures - MEDIUM - Dedicated MFD - HARD still trying to keep my word for this week Last edited by fred18; 09-14-2015 at 10:15 AM.

09-15-2015, 02:39 AM	#116
fred18 Addon Developer	Quote: Originally Posted by Donamy What do you mean by rotated payload ? With Vinka you can only load payloads which are oriented towards the forward (Z) axis of the vehicle. Now you'll simply put in the payload section of the ini Code: rotation=(30,45,70) To have a payload which is 30 degrees rotated around x axis, 45 around y and 70 around z.

09-15-2015, 01:45 PM	#118
fred18 Addon Developer	Quote: Originally Posted by Donamy Will the payload thrust be added and offset as well ? You gave me a great point! I implemented it! Now thrust of live payload is added, rotated and offset. I think that this opens up a big set of new opportunities for developers that can play with live payloads! For example space shuttle can be implemented with SRBs as live payloads now or you can put an invisible Multistage under another craft to use the Multistage autopilot etc. Note: Only main thruster are rendered, RCS thrusters are not. Not true anymore: linear RCS is accounted Last edited by fred18; 09-15-2015 at 01:52 PM.

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09-12-2015, 10:56 PM	#106
4throck Enthusiast !	My suggestion, to keep things as simple as possible, would be to display the stack status* to the left of the screen and the guidance to the right*, both as simple text above the MFDs. This would help in add-on creation and could be expanded to show failures. -what stages are configured, the heights and fuel, the burn sequence (parallel or sequential), fairings and payloads, etc. ** - a list of the guidance commands

09-12-2015, 11:02 PM	#107
romanasul Orbinaut	I haven't played Orbiter in over six months but it looks like it's time to get back.

09-13-2015, 12:45 AM	#108
Donamy Beta Tester	Quote: Originally Posted by 4throck My suggestion, to keep things as simple as possible, would be to display the stack status* to the left of the screen and the guidance to the right*, both as simple text above the MFDs. This would help in add-on creation and could be expanded to show failures. -what stages are configured, the heights and fuel, the burn sequence (parallel or sequential), fairings and payloads, etc. ** - a list of the guidance commands I would suggest this only be shown in the cockpit view.

09-13-2015, 03:50 PM	#109
4throck Enthusiast !	Good suggestion. VC view would bring the status display, normal view is backward compatible (clean HUD + MFDs).

09-13-2015, 06:15 PM	#110
fred18 Addon Developer	I don't know if that is possible. Anyway this is the information currently available on the Hud: I really believe that a multiscreen MFD mode would be a nice solution at this point. If the user wish to check the data can check everything via the MFD, can keep two of them open during launch or many of them open with ExtMFD etc.

09-13-2015, 06:27 PM	#111
4throck Enthusiast !	Looks great ! If you already have it like that, it's good. A specific MFD sounds interesting, but I don't know about multiple rockets. What would happen when you switch focus ?

09-13-2015, 06:43 PM	#112
fred18 Addon Developer	Thanks! Each rocket have its own set of flight variables, mfds will display the updated situation of the focused vessel. But I never made an MFD so I have to check how to do it properly before

09-13-2015, 07:21 PM	#113
Ripley Tutorial translator	Quote: Originally Posted by fred18 ...Anyway this is the information currently available on the Hud... How does this overlaid text interact with the "generic MFD size" option (Launchpad - Parameters)? What happens if I resize my MFDs to a BIG number?

09-15-2015, 02:23 AM	#115
Donamy Beta Tester	What do you mean by rotated payload ?

09-15-2015, 02:48 AM	#117
Donamy Beta Tester	Will the payload thrust be added and offset as well ?

09-15-2015, 01:49 PM	#119
Donamy Beta Tester	Could it also be animated, for things like rotating engines for like Ospreys.

09-15-2015, 01:54 PM	#120
fred18 Addon Developer	Quote: Originally Posted by Donamy Could it also be animated, for things like rotating engines for like Ospreys. nope, no animation will be implemented