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08132017, 08:17 AM  #1 
Orbinaut

Elliptical trajectory from 3 points and focus?
In the pic below we have a suborbital trajectory, where one of the foci is set at the origin (0,0) and these are known: A (departure base), B (Apoapsis), C (target base) and the angle between them (from the origin). Is this information enough to determine the shape of the elliptical trajectory needed to get from A to C? What I want to find is the second focus point.
Thanks in advance. 
08132017, 03:05 PM  #2 
thing

Hi,
this seems too easy  I must have gone wrong somewhere...... I think you need to look at it in Polar terms: Code:
Let distance f1>A = b Let distance f1>B = d Let angle φ/2 = β then from R(θ) = a(1 eČ) / (1 e.cosθ) where R = distance from focus to point, a = semimajor axis, e = eccentricity, θ = angle between major axis and f1topoint line. we get: b = a(1 eČ) / (1 e.cosβ) → 1/b = (1 e.cosβ) / a(1 eČ) and (for apoapsis, where cosβ = 1) d = a(1 eČ) / (1 e) → 1/d = (1 e) / a(1 eČ) so: (1/b) / (1/d) = (1 e.cosβ) / (1 e) rearrange left hand side: d/b = (1 e.cosβ) / (1 e) d(1 e) = b(1 e.cosβ) d d.e = b b.e.cosβ d b = d.e b.e.cosβ d b = e(d b.cosβ) e = (d b) / (d b.cosβ) //Now we have e and from: R(apoapsis) = (1 + e)a then d = (1 + e)a a = d/(1 + e) //Now we have a Let distance from Apoapsis>f2 (B>f2) = m then m = a e.a = a(1 e) So, f2 lies along the line f1>B at a distance of (d m) from f1 Brian 
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08132017, 03:24 PM  #3 
Orbinaut

Thank you very much!

08292017, 11:03 AM  #4 
Orbinaut

In the opening post, dgatsoulis has posed the following problem:
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In general, there are two Keplerian orbits that solve the dgatsoulis formulation. An illustration is given below: In the above, which is modeled on dgatsoulis' diagram in his opening post, we have two points  and  which are at the same distance from the coordinate origin. The angular separation of these two points is . For a given apoapsis radius, which in the diagram is at a height , there are two Keplerian arcs that pass through the points and with the required apoapsis. One solution places the apoapsis at the point halfway between the 'short' arc connecting and spanning an angle ; the other places the apoapsis at the point halfway between the 'long' arc connecting and and spanning an angle . These are precisely two solutions to this problem cast as a quadratic equation which, of course, always has precisely two solution. Without setting out the proof, the solution to dgatsoulis' problem in terms of the semimajor axis and orbital eccentricity can be found as follows: 1. Set 2. Set 3. Calculate 4. The 'short' arc solution is, then: 5. And the 'long' arc solution is: Once the shape parameters and have been calculated, it is straight forward to calculate the distance between the two foci. This is just . As an example, let's assume that the that points , and form an equilateral triangle such that km; km; . Let's also suppose for sake of argument that we that set km. Then, we calculate the solution to dgatsoulis' problem as follows: 1. Set km 2. Set km 3. Calculate km 4. The 'short' arc solution is, then: km 5. And the 'long' arc solution is: km Although the solutions to this problem has been drawn as a pair of ellipses, the solution is also valid for the hyperbolic regime. Whereas for an ellipse, we require that ; for a hyperbolic motion, we require that for the 'short' arc (where ); and for the 'long' arc (where ). As an example of two hyperbolae, let's take the same example as in the first diagram  namely where km; km; . This means that so, for sake of illustration, let's set . In this case, we find that for the 'short' arc: and for the 'long' arc: The two hyperbolae are plotted in the following graph: Of course, in the hyperbolic case, specifying a given apoapsis radius is a little fathom since it invariably leads to negative numbers. A more natural way of constraining hyperbolic orbits is to specify the periapsis radius (rather than the apoapsis radius) and it isn't hard to show that in this case for the 'short' arc solution, we have: and for the 'long' arc: 

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