Orbiter Screenshot Thread - Page 479 - Orbiter-Forum

4throck · 06-04-2018, 10:22 PM

Coming along slowly!
Constellation now has spotlights to land on the polar regions.

1987VCRProductions · 06-05-2018, 04:06 PM

I put Ulysses into polar orbit around the Sun and got a nice portrait looking down at the 4 inner planets. I ended up approaching Jupiter from its south pole and it sent me going over the Sun's north pole first and then looping around to the solar south pole, I believe that the real Ulysses actually did the opposite if I'm not mistaken.

**Wolf** · 06-05-2018, 06:27 PM

The beauty of the new shadow effects with D3D9. The Canadarm RMS casts its shadow on Columbia payload bay as the Orbiter overflies the Indian Ocean during STS-3

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**Urwumpe** · 06-05-2018, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf

The beauty of the new shadow effects with D3D9. The Canadarm RMS casts its shadow on Columbia payload bay as the Orbiter overflies the Indian Ocean during STS-3

Attachment 15897

Sadly the radiators seem to show the reflection map with the closed payload pay doors.

**Donamy** · 06-05-2018, 07:02 PM

Yes. Too bad reflections can't act like shadows, and not go through the mesh.

DaveS · 06-05-2018, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwumpe

Sadly the radiators seem to show the reflection map with the closed payload pay doors.

This is due to how the D3D9Client handles environmental reflections. All reflective surfaces share one environment camera per vessel that generates the actual reflections. And it is completely static. Currently the environmental camera for SSU is set up in the center of the payload bay so that is what will be reflected in the reflective surfaces of the orbiter.

This should really change to a system where each reflection map generates its own camera. I don't think a reasonable number (8?) would hurt the frame rates that bad, even on maximum settings.

**Urwumpe** · 06-05-2018, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveS

This should really change to a system where each reflection map generates its own camera. I don't think a reasonable number (8?) would hurt the frame rates that bad, even on maximum settings.

It would be enough if the reflection map just represents the current state of the mesh = gets recomputed. But I would guess it takes a moment to calculate.

**jarmonik** · 06-06-2018, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwumpe

It would be enough if the reflection map just represents the current state of the mesh = gets recomputed. But I would guess it takes a moment to calculate.

The reflections should get updated every 2nd - 6th frame depending on settings. In the Wolf's screen shot it's likely the payload that is being reflected. And the reflection camera is likely in the front of the payload. To work better, the camera should be attached to payload-bay doors. One on both sides and they should move along the doors themselves. Improper camera location can cause all sort of anomalies.

What DaveS said could help to reduce the problem. But the main issues is that how to attach the cameras into the right locations. (i.e. how to communicate all the information to the client). I am working on some optimizations to the shadows and after that I'll look into the reflection issues.

4throck · 06-07-2018, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jarmonik

To work better, the camera should be attached to payload-bay doors.

Suggestion:
On the Debug Controls, the user selects a mesh group and attaches a custom reflection camera to it.

BrianJ · 06-21-2018, 10:46 PM

Some "in development" screenshots of SpaceX Crew Dragon. Exterior meshes courtesy of Donamy, interior(with super-comfy seats!) and control panel by me, original Astronaut model(much modified) from NASA 3D Resources.....still working on the panel and other items....

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4throck · 06-22-2018, 01:30 PM

Looks good. I like the status panel below the MFDs.
Will the the custom keys be visible ?
Some add-ons do this on the default view. It helps a lot!

BrianJ · 06-22-2018, 04:45 PM

Hi,
the "Control Panel" is my first attempt at using the VC functions for clickable buttons, etc.
I expect the layout will change quite a bit once I get my head around how the button and area-redraw stuff works. Hopefully most of the useful functions will be "clickable" and have some kind of status indication. I may well re-model the panel mesh, once I have a better idea of what I can do with it.

francisdrake · 07-01-2018, 07:54 PM

When reading the novel 'Titan' by Brandon Q. Morris (german language) I tried to recreate a Titan-landing scenario, using the MAV lander with the super-sonic decelerator. Landing is easy. The atmosphere is so dense that the vessel is very slow after the atmospheric entry.

But below the clouds the Titan surface is white, untextured. The texture addons on Orbithangar are for Orbiter 2010 or earlier, and it is not included in the MinorBodies texture pack. Would there be an easy way to promote textures to the 2016 format?
_____
The Titan hi-res textures have been updated.
Thank you, Martin!

**martins** · 07-02-2018, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francisdrake

When reading the novel 'Titan' by Brandon Q. Morris (german language) I tried to recreate a Titan-landing scenario, using the MAV lander with the super-sonic decelerator. Landing is easy. The atmosphere is so dense that the vessel is very slow after the atmospheric entry.

But below the clouds the Titan surface is white, untextured. The texture addons on Orbithangar are for Orbiter 2010 or earlier, and it is not included in the MinorBodies texture pack. Would there be an easy way to promote textures to the 2016 format?

I just had a look and realised that Titan indeed doesn't seem to have been converted to 2016 texture format. For some reason I was sure that Titan was using the new format already.

It's odd that your surface is untextured, since the old-style texture (Textures/Titan.tex) should still be present and working. I'll check this out tonight.

In any case, maybe it's time to re-do the textures for the 2016 format. A quick check on Astrogeology showed these files:

https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/search...aic_Global_4km
(lo-resolution global surface mosaic)

https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/search...5N_450M_AvgMos
(high-resolution surface between -65 ... + 45 deg latitude)

https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/search...GTDR/gtdr-data
(elevation; very coarse and noisy from the look of it)

Does anybody know of better sources?

francisdrake · 07-02-2018, 04:51 PM

Quote:

It's odd that your surface is untextured, since the old-style texture (Textures/Titan.tex) should still be present and working. I'll check this out tonight.

Maybe it is not untextured white. It looks like a white, polygonal ground patch. An orange texture is visible in the distance. This white patch seems to follow the vessel around on Titan's surface. Thanks for looking into this!

06-06-2018, 06:56 PM	#7178
jarmonik Beta Tester	Quote: Originally Posted by Urwumpe It would be enough if the reflection map just represents the current state of the mesh = gets recomputed. But I would guess it takes a moment to calculate. The reflections should get updated every 2nd - 6th frame depending on settings. In the Wolf's screen shot it's likely the payload that is being reflected. And the reflection camera is likely in the front of the payload. To work better, the camera should be attached to payload-bay doors. One on both sides and they should move along the doors themselves. Improper camera location can cause all sort of anomalies. What DaveS said could help to reduce the problem. But the main issues is that how to attach the cameras into the right locations. (i.e. how to communicate all the information to the client). I am working on some optimizations to the shadows and after that I'll look into the reflection issues. Last edited by jarmonik; 06-06-2018 at 06:58 PM.

07-01-2018, 07:54 PM	#7183
francisdrake Addon Developer	When reading the novel 'Titan' by Brandon Q. Morris (german language) I tried to recreate a Titan-landing scenario, using the MAV lander with the super-sonic decelerator. Landing is easy. The atmosphere is so dense that the vessel is very slow after the atmospheric entry. But below the clouds the Titan surface is white, untextured. The texture addons on Orbithangar are for Orbiter 2010 or earlier, and it is not included in the MinorBodies texture pack. Would there be an easy way to promote textures to the 2016 format? _____ The Titan hi-res textures have been updated. Thank you, Martin! Last edited by francisdrake; 08-06-2018 at 07:39 PM. Reason: Textures have been updated.

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06-04-2018, 10:22 PM	#7171
4throck Enthusiast !	Coming along slowly! Constellation now has spotlights to land on the polar regions.

06-05-2018, 04:06 PM	#7172
1987VCRProductions Orbinaut	I put Ulysses into polar orbit around the Sun and got a nice portrait looking down at the 4 inner planets. I ended up approaching Jupiter from its south pole and it sent me going over the Sun's north pole first and then looping around to the solar south pole, I believe that the real Ulysses actually did the opposite if I'm not mistaken.

06-05-2018, 06:27 PM	#7173
Wolf Donator	The beauty of the new shadow effects with D3D9. The Canadarm RMS casts its shadow on Columbia payload bay as the Orbiter overflies the Indian Ocean during STS-3

06-05-2018, 06:46 PM	#7174
Urwumpe Certain Super User	Quote: Originally Posted by Wolf The beauty of the new shadow effects with D3D9. The Canadarm RMS casts its shadow on Columbia payload bay as the Orbiter overflies the Indian Ocean during STS-3 Attachment 15897 Sadly the radiators seem to show the reflection map with the closed payload pay doors.

06-05-2018, 07:02 PM	#7175
Donamy Beta Tester	Yes. Too bad reflections can't act like shadows, and not go through the mesh.

06-05-2018, 07:16 PM	#7176
DaveS Addon Developer	Quote: Originally Posted by Urwumpe Sadly the radiators seem to show the reflection map with the closed payload pay doors. This is due to how the D3D9Client handles environmental reflections. All reflective surfaces share one environment camera per vessel that generates the actual reflections. And it is completely static. Currently the environmental camera for SSU is set up in the center of the payload bay so that is what will be reflected in the reflective surfaces of the orbiter. This should really change to a system where each reflection map generates its own camera. I don't think a reasonable number (8?) would hurt the frame rates that bad, even on maximum settings.

06-05-2018, 07:34 PM	#7177
Urwumpe Certain Super User	Quote: Originally Posted by DaveS This should really change to a system where each reflection map generates its own camera. I don't think a reasonable number (8?) would hurt the frame rates that bad, even on maximum settings. It would be enough if the reflection map just represents the current state of the mesh = gets recomputed. But I would guess it takes a moment to calculate.

06-07-2018, 04:46 PM	#7179
4throck Enthusiast !	Quote: Originally Posted by jarmonik To work better, the camera should be attached to payload-bay doors. Suggestion: On the Debug Controls, the user selects a mesh group and attaches a custom reflection camera to it.

06-21-2018, 10:46 PM	#7180
BrianJ thing	Some "in development" screenshots of SpaceX Crew Dragon. Exterior meshes courtesy of Donamy, interior(with super-comfy seats!) and control panel by me, original Astronaut model(much modified) from NASA 3D Resources.....still working on the panel and other items....

06-22-2018, 01:30 PM	#7181
4throck Enthusiast !	Looks good. I like the status panel below the MFDs. Will the the custom keys be visible ? Some add-ons do this on the default view. It helps a lot!

06-22-2018, 04:45 PM	#7182
BrianJ thing	Hi, the "Control Panel" is my first attempt at using the VC functions for clickable buttons, etc. I expect the layout will change quite a bit once I get my head around how the button and area-redraw stuff works. Hopefully most of the useful functions will be "clickable" and have some kind of status indication. I may well re-model the panel mesh, once I have a better idea of what I can do with it.

07-02-2018, 10:59 AM	#7184
martins Orbiter Founder	Quote: Originally Posted by francisdrake When reading the novel 'Titan' by Brandon Q. Morris (german language) I tried to recreate a Titan-landing scenario, using the MAV lander with the super-sonic decelerator. Landing is easy. The atmosphere is so dense that the vessel is very slow after the atmospheric entry. But below the clouds the Titan surface is white, untextured. The texture addons on Orbithangar are for Orbiter 2010 or earlier, and it is not included in the MinorBodies texture pack. Would there be an easy way to promote textures to the 2016 format? I just had a look and realised that Titan indeed doesn't seem to have been converted to 2016 texture format. For some reason I was sure that Titan was using the new format already. It's odd that your surface is untextured, since the old-style texture (Textures/Titan.tex) should still be present and working. I'll check this out tonight. In any case, maybe it's time to re-do the textures for the 2016 format. A quick check on Astrogeology showed these files: https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/search...aic_Global_4km (lo-resolution global surface mosaic) https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/search...5N_450M_AvgMos (high-resolution surface between -65 ... + 45 deg latitude) https://astrogeology.usgs.gov/search...GTDR/gtdr-data (elevation; very coarse and noisy from the look of it) Does anybody know of better sources?

07-02-2018, 04:51 PM	#7185
francisdrake Addon Developer	Quote: It's odd that your surface is untextured, since the old-style texture (Textures/Titan.tex) should still be present and working. I'll check this out tonight. Maybe it is not untextured white. It looks like a white, polygonal ground patch. An orange texture is visible in the distance. This white patch seems to follow the vessel around on Titan's surface. Thanks for looking into this!