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Old 12-14-2013, 10:50 AM   #31
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Originally Posted by icedown View Post
 I would like to see most of the excess go to Martin. If there is to much for that, then spread it out among the primary devs, Dan, dbeachy, face and such. It's here to promote the community, why not give a little back to those that have created the stuff that this site is about.
I'm fine with donating excess money to Doctor or buying him 1:36 3D printed and nicely painted Deltaglider. I'm fine with keeping money in reserve for unexpected events

As for money for add-on devs. There are a few problems

How you'd determine which add-on dev should get money?? Download threshold ?? Public polling?? Arbitrary decision?? That's IMO recipe for disaster.

There are more problems:
We're pretty open community at the moment and many add-ons share code snippets with another ones. How should we decide which part to which developer. Some of add-ons are sharing meshes or using slightly tweaked previous ones. What about them?

For example: One can admire SSU team a lot for work they're doing. Should his/her money go to them if he/she doesn't use their add-on because simply he/she is not interested in full blown simulation and prefer XR style??

What about other way around? Should shuttle fanatic support sci-fi ship like XR series or DG-IV?
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Old 12-14-2013, 03:34 PM   #32
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I honestly don't know why I bother.

Last edited by icedown; 12-16-2013 at 03:53 AM.
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Old 12-14-2013, 04:33 PM   #33
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To be clear, and speaking for the staff, there is no way we would ever divvy up leftover donation money between add-on developers. There are many reasons for this, including the ones Loru mentioned -- it would be a huge mess and money isn't the reason that Orbiter-Forum was created anyway.

As for donating any leftover amount to Martin at the end of each year, I could see that working if the community took a vote on it and chose to do that vs. choosing a charity. But IMO that vote should happen sooner rather than later so members would know exactly how any leftover donation money would be used next December.
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:13 PM   #34
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I'd just like to point out that we are still taking suggestions on this note and we'd still like to see a resolution fairly soon.
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Old 02-01-2014, 06:39 PM   #35
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3 months have passed. Have you noticed any solid trends emerging? I mean decrease of donations, or even momentum of decrease? Since the donations requests have been postponed until now, is the balance near 0 now? (I assume that the "fixed" donations were being accepted all the time, or?)
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Old 02-02-2014, 12:30 AM   #36
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 Since the donations requests have been postponed until now, is the balance near 0 now? (I assume that the "fixed" donations were being accepted all the time, or?)
If there was no donation goal bar displayed last month (I don't remember there was or wasn't one), then it's because money were carried over from the previous month.

Recurring donations have been accepted all the time (and according to e-mails, most of them are being received at the end of month) - they are automatically added to the donation goal bar balance, while single donations are usually seen only being received in first days of month - they are confirmed manually to update the donation goal bar.

The currently displayed received amount of 30 USD on the donation goal bar is the result of only the excess money carried over from earlier months, for now, but according to admin e-mails I've just read, there were 3 single donations on Feb 1. They haven't been yet confirmed, and that's the reason for the goal bar not yet updating the received amount or even disappearing completely.
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Old 02-02-2014, 10:33 AM   #37
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Thanks for the reminder orb.
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Old 01-07-2015, 02:11 AM   #38
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Hello all!

Another update here: we have made some file server changes in the last few weeks. As you may know, the Orbit-Hanger file repository was previously hosted on godaddy.com via my AlteaAerospace.com Web site, but due to ongoing reliability and performance problems over the past number of months I recently dumped godaddy.com and migrated my site over to DigitalOcean. This means that AlteaAerospace.com no longer has the disk space to host the Orbit-Hangar file repository or mirror the (very large!) Orbiter beta texture files. As such, we have migrated the Orbit-Hangar repository (just over 5000 files totalling 35 GB) over to a dedicated server hosted by Hetzner that Xyon leases and administers (the specs are here). That server has 2 TB of RAID-1 disk and so has ample space to reliably host the Orbit-Hangar file repository and the high-res texture files for the new Orbiter version currently in beta. As such, we have bumped up the donation target from $60/month to $80/month to help offset part of the monthly file server cost. As before, any excess donations received in the previous month are automatically applied to the next month's total.

Here is a summary of the monthly forum expenses going foward:

$20.00 per month - Orbiter-Forum and Orbit-Hangar Web virtual server fees (hosted by DigitalOcean)
$40.00 per month - Orbit-Hangar file repository + high-res Orbiter texture files dedicated server & administration fees (hosted by Hetzner)
$20.00 per month - Reserve
$80.00 total
Here is a financial breakdown of the donations and expenses for Orbiter-Forum during 2014 (thanks, Xyon, for putting this report together!) All values are USD:

MonthIncomeFeesCurrency xferExpenditureDeltaBalance StartBalance End
Jan 201437.00-3.61 40-6.61275.41268.80
Feb 201477.00-5.27 4031.73268.80300.53
Mar 201461.00-5.03 4016.03300.53316.50
Apr 201424.00-2.57 40-18.57316.50297.93
May 2014159.00-8.06 40110.94297.93408.87
Jun 201414.00-1.63 40-27.63408.87381.24
Jul 201414.00-1.63 40-27.63381.24353.61
Aug 201467.00-4.93 4022.07353.61375.68
Sep 2014147.00-7.95 4099.05375.68474.73
Oct 201427.00-2.37-33.6340-49.00474.73425.73
Nov 201477.00-4.97 4032.03425.73457.76
Dec 201462.00-4.81 4017.19457.76474.95

The delta for the entire year of 2014 is a profit of $199.54, all of which is currently held in reserve in case the forum is short some month (or months). Going forward we will continue to post yearly summaries of income and expenses, and we can also vote as a community if we want to make a donation to a charity, etc. using any excess reserves.

Thanks again for your continued support!
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Old 02-07-2015, 05:40 AM   #39

I am glad to see you had a surplus and I definitely think you need to keep a decent reserve. I will have to think about a charity that I would want to support and post back then.

Thanks for all your hard work.
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Old 06-23-2015, 03:32 PM   #40
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There was a real frenzy in May & September 2014. End/Start of University classes ?

Such transparency is really nice, thanks.
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