Request Artemis landers

[Gargantua2024]

Set to hover....So far the specs are quite correct....

 

[francisdrake]

The model is very good looking!

Empty Mass suggested to be either 5800 (lander without drop tanks), or 6700 including both drop tanks dry mass.
I am not sure, if the drop tanks bring their own dry mass with them when attached.

VSIZE suggest to reduce to 6 (radius of surrounding sphere, not diameter)

PMI is ok.

PRP_0_MAXMASS is ok.

I would suggest to make the engines hover engines:
THR_0_NAME = Hover_0

THR_8_MAX0 = 490 is ok.

 

[gattispilot]

Ok. give this a shot.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D_Q8uWHHPcsdC78v7_wTbGAoCEcBLWfj/view?usp=sharing

 

[francisdrake]

It seems to miss the DYNETICSARRAY, the cfg and the mesh.

 

[gattispilot]

Oh. The solar tracking needs work

 

[francisdrake]

Ok, the arrays are there. It looks like they are constantly rotating. Is there a key to control them?

To define the thrusters as hover, a setting needs to be changed in the thruster groups further down in the cfg file:

;<-------------------------THRUSTER GROUPS DEFINITIONS------------------------->

THGROUP_HOVER = TRUE
THGROUP_HOVER_THRUSTERS = 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7

 

[gattispilot]

On the arrays I think 2 or 3 lock them.

 

[francisdrake]

barrygolden wrote
< Just gave a try of the Falcon heavy /ALPACA launch but don't see the ALPACA on it. Am I missing something ? >

The problem seems to an old invalid definition of the attachment point.
I found out by trial and error. Open the Dynetictest.cfg file and overwrite the attachment definitions:

;<-------------------------ATTACHMENTS DEFINITIONS------------------------->

ATT_0_IDX = 0
ATT_0_POS = -4.85 0 0
ATT_0_DIR = -1 0 0
ATT_0_ROT = 0 1 0
ATT_0_RANGE = 10
ATT_0_ID = Rocket
ATT_0_TOPARENT = TRUE
ATT_0_IDCHECK = FALSE

;<--------------

Maybe it would help to set up an online collaboration of all files, to have a common version of all files available for all contributors.

 

[barrygolden]

I think the back of the suits will need to be modified a little and maybe a new version of a back pack done. However the LER back pack looks close to the right size. These suits would not have the door in the back so the back would need a little tweaking. make note of the neck and upper back area in pic 1 and the bend in the waist in pic 2.

 

[barrygolden]

As for the drop tanks, if they could stay on or land close to the ALPACA the BEAM module from ISS AtoZ might make a good guide for a quick inflatable Moon base with a hab and logistics modules.

 

[gattispilot]

Maybe it would help to set up an online collaboration of all files, to have a common version of all files available for all contributors.

That would great. Can you set it up. It would help me with the shuttle.

Really the crew meshes are just for flight.

So the flight crew mesh has no backpack, now. Can you draw what changes need to happen on the flight crew. These are the same suits on the Altair UMMU minus a backpack

 

[Gargantua2024]

Noticed that the RCS exhausts are out of alignment with the thrusters....here's the fix below (copy/paste and replace to Dynetictest.CFG):

 

[barrygolden]

Here's what I see on the suit changes for Artemis 3 landing. I think the LEVA would be removed so somewhat the Apollo glass bubble look but we don't have to do that. The suits would need the stripes like the shuttle suits. no back pack when inside and hit a key and the guy would be on the surface with a back pack on. the guy on the right would turn 90* to open door for more room.

 

[francisdrake]

Regarding online collaboration:
I was thinking of nothing fancy. The simplest way could be a GoogleDrive public folder, where the recent stable versions and the one currently in development are kept in their folder structure. To avoid mutual overwriting, a txt-file could be used track who is currently working on which file.

 

[barrygolden]

Not a real good pic of the back packs here but note the size and the 2 man rover for Artemis 3

 

[gattispilot]

Here's what I see on the suit changes for Artemis 3 landing. I think the LEVA would be removed so somewhat the Apollo glass bubble look but we don't have to do that. The suits would need the stripes like the shuttle suits. no back pack when inside and hit a key and the guy would be on the surface with a back pack on. the guy on the right would turn 90* to open door for more room.

Let me see what I can do.

 

[barrygolden]

Here a suit I found few years ago

 

[francisdrake]

Alpaca Vers. 3 on a FalconHeavy

1) Would it be possible to have the landing legs and stairs retracted by default?

2) There is now a white plate on top of the vessel, around the docking port.
Is this real, or a modelling artefact?

 

[gattispilot]

Lets try this:

Dynetics lander - Google Drive

drive.google.com

On the legs and ladder. I don't think so. You would just have to change the animation state.

Yes looking at different images there seems to be a plate there.

Still working on the array. They should if deployed rotate to the sun.

 

[francisdrake]

Thanks for setting up the GoogleDrive workspace!

A general remark: Some files are called Dynetics___ (with an 's'), some are called Dynetic (without an 's').
This could lead to typos. As the company is call Dynetics (with 's'), I would suggest to use this spelling.

A config-File missing:
- Dynetictest.CFG (could you please insert your current one?)

The DYNETICSARRAY.CFG is now in Vessels and in Vessels\VesselBuilder1.
I would suggest to store all Dynetics-cfg in the VesselBuilder1 subfolder.
(Needs then to be modified in the scnario files to
array::VesselBuilder1\DYNETICSARRAY

After adding a cfg-file for the lander the first two scenarios worked (Gateway and Landed on Marius Hills).
The Marius Hills _New quit silently to the desktop, could not find out why.