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**Urwumpe** · 04-01-2008, 10:12 AM

Yes, a very nice collection.

I did not know they also had the STS-1 checklists around, will take a look at them.

ryan · 04-19-2008, 02:45 AM

Why did NASA switch external tank colours? i think the white looked way better then the current orange one.

Missioncmdr · 04-19-2008, 03:01 AM

Not painting the External Tank white saved about 270 kg in weight. I believe it was actually some sort of fire retardant that was later found to be unnecessary. The rustic orange is the actual color of the insulation without paint.

ryan · 04-19-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Missioncmdr

Not painting the External Tank white saved about 270 kg in weight. I believe it was actually some sort of fire retardant that was later found to be unnecessary. The rustic orange is the actual color of the insulation without paint.

They should just paint it white anyways, just to make us feel like were in the good old days, when John Young was still flying and he was still swearing on the lunar surface:clap:

BlueDragon8144 · 04-19-2008, 09:35 AM

You're painting the wrong ship my friend.

ryan · 04-19-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDragon8144

You're painting the wrong ship my friend.

If John flew it we paint it, that means it's gotta be a lot of paint hualed in, why couldnt he just retire from NASA when he walked on the moon like the rest of them.

BlueDragon8144 · 04-19-2008, 09:38 AM

Ken Mattingly didn't either. I forget which mission he flew for the shuttle, but it was one of the early ones. Fred Haise flew shuttle landings before it took of into space for testing, though he never actually flew one into space.

ryan · 04-19-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDragon8144

Ken didn't either. I forget which mission he flew for the shuttle, but it was one of the early ones.

He flew on STS-4 or 5, the only thing i remember it was on Columbia.

BlueDragon8144 · 04-19-2008, 09:41 AM

anyway, the CSM and LM John flew weren't painted, so you can't use that statement

ryan · 04-19-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDragon8144

anyway, the CSM and LM John flew weren't painted, so you can't use that statement

They did have paint on them, but not the colour paint, some of the paint they used on the LM actually kept on peeling off during flight, that was just one of the annoyance even with the dreaded orange juice

**Urwumpe** · 04-19-2008, 09:46 AM

Ken Mattingly flew both on STS-4 and STS-51-C as commander.

ryan · 04-19-2008, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urwumpe

Ken Mattingly flew both on STS-4 and STS-51-C as commander.

Yeah they say the crew had a love, hate thing going on, because he pushed his crew with training alot, just like he did.

**Urwumpe** · 04-19-2008, 09:51 AM

He only had a full crew on STS-51-C... also it was a DoD mission. During STS-4, the crew size was still 2.

BlueDragon8144 · 04-19-2008, 09:53 AM

ok, fine. But not the entire thing was painted like the external tank was. Either way, NASA does have a point in the paint being really heavy. 270kg is still a lot of weight, and when the ISS had to be constructed, a new tank had to be made because the old one was still too heavy even without that paint.

ryan · 04-19-2008, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueDragon8144

ok, fine. But not the entire thing was painted like the external tank was. Either way, NASA does have a point in the paint being really heavy. 270kg is still a lot of weight, and when the ISS had to be constructed, a new tank had to be made because the old one was still too heavy even without that paint.

It's a shame, paint could be so heavy, thats just like saying heres a feather dont hurt yourself.

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04-01-2008, 10:12 AM	#31
Urwumpe Donator	Yes, a very nice collection. I did not know they also had the STS-1 checklists around, will take a look at them.

04-19-2008, 02:45 AM	#32
ryan That guy	Why did NASA switch external tank colours? i think the white looked way better then the current orange one.

04-19-2008, 03:01 AM	#33
Missioncmdr Orbinaut	Not painting the External Tank white saved about 270 kg in weight. I believe it was actually some sort of fire retardant that was later found to be unnecessary. The rustic orange is the actual color of the insulation without paint.

04-19-2008, 09:34 AM	#34
ryan That guy	Quote: Originally Posted by Missioncmdr Not painting the External Tank white saved about 270 kg in weight. I believe it was actually some sort of fire retardant that was later found to be unnecessary. The rustic orange is the actual color of the insulation without paint. They should just paint it white anyways, just to make us feel like were in the good old days, when John Young was still flying and he was still swearing on the lunar surface:clap:

04-19-2008, 09:35 AM	#35
BlueDragon8144 Orbinaut	You're painting the wrong ship my friend.

04-19-2008, 09:37 AM	#36
ryan That guy	Quote: Originally Posted by BlueDragon8144 You're painting the wrong ship my friend. If John flew it we paint it, that means it's gotta be a lot of paint hualed in, why couldnt he just retire from NASA when he walked on the moon like the rest of them.

04-19-2008, 09:38 AM	#37
BlueDragon8144 Orbinaut	Ken Mattingly didn't either. I forget which mission he flew for the shuttle, but it was one of the early ones. Fred Haise flew shuttle landings before it took of into space for testing, though he never actually flew one into space.

04-19-2008, 09:40 AM	#38
ryan That guy	Quote: Originally Posted by BlueDragon8144 Ken didn't either. I forget which mission he flew for the shuttle, but it was one of the early ones. He flew on STS-4 or 5, the only thing i remember it was on Columbia.

04-19-2008, 09:41 AM	#39
BlueDragon8144 Orbinaut	anyway, the CSM and LM John flew weren't painted, so you can't use that statement

04-19-2008, 09:43 AM	#40
ryan That guy	Quote: Originally Posted by BlueDragon8144 anyway, the CSM and LM John flew weren't painted, so you can't use that statement They did have paint on them, but not the colour paint, some of the paint they used on the LM actually kept on peeling off during flight, that was just one of the annoyance even with the dreaded orange juice

04-19-2008, 09:46 AM	#41
Urwumpe Donator	Ken Mattingly flew both on STS-4 and STS-51-C as commander.

04-19-2008, 09:49 AM	#42
ryan That guy	Quote: Originally Posted by Urwumpe Ken Mattingly flew both on STS-4 and STS-51-C as commander. Yeah they say the crew had a love, hate thing going on, because he pushed his crew with training alot, just like he did.

04-19-2008, 09:51 AM	#43
Urwumpe Donator	He only had a full crew on STS-51-C... also it was a DoD mission. During STS-4, the crew size was still 2.

04-19-2008, 09:53 AM	#44
BlueDragon8144 Orbinaut	ok, fine. But not the entire thing was painted like the external tank was. Either way, NASA does have a point in the paint being really heavy. 270kg is still a lot of weight, and when the ISS had to be constructed, a new tank had to be made because the old one was still too heavy even without that paint.

04-19-2008, 09:56 AM	#45
ryan That guy	Quote: Originally Posted by BlueDragon8144 ok, fine. But not the entire thing was painted like the external tank was. Either way, NASA does have a point in the paint being really heavy. 270kg is still a lot of weight, and when the ISS had to be constructed, a new tank had to be made because the old one was still too heavy even without that paint. It's a shame, paint could be so heavy, thats just like saying heres a feather dont hurt yourself.